Welcome to the Online-Callshow in the Nebanishumans to have to 2022,
my microkatakronde nean ananda. The collaboration mit we in the nummer
to center for buddy studies at the University of Hamburg and
the barrier center from buddy studies and most achoos its.
And today, we are going to look at so my number 19.
But before beginning with that just a few extracts from
the discussion in the online
Yeah, there was upliciation by a several pretty suppens of in
the Simony of the Lotus and what a drop on the Lotus,
which out personally also fine fan, beautiful.
And that was for example, catrina. And vobert
those express this upriciation of this idea and that if we
process something, we are process by yet.
And then there to commons by came Allen,
that I want to to share,
one on this discussion of disciour and the father shore.
This is quite profund
It cuts right to the hand of the worldling scienty of
getting something or somewhere through practice. And yet,
something must be done, if the mind is not fully free.
Reflecting on what is point to to in this passage brings east to
my mind. Helping it to settle into the present moment,
which stating his, but without drive.
And then other comment that you also made us.
I would like to point out that when we on on
on the skillfuly does not employeed to non-duality.
Only the transcendence of duality
In cases with the term non-duality issporting, I've not isd,
that it is easy to slip into the view and that dualities wrong and non-dualities right.
And all so of course, indeeper more profiled high and better,
or ever, such you view is quite dualistic,
is it non? And in preparation for this 1997,
I would like to just make a little remark on the background,
then I believe, stands behind it, in this 19th sermon,
when one and on on the issue is strong,
On the more negative signed.
And we will find that in future sermans this balance
is how to gain like, for example, 201,
he is much more on the positive again,
but the summony of the ocean etc.
And so to appreciate that,
I think it is good to keep in mind
the situation and this talks where dilimited and usually after heard
given one of this talks in the other most what discuss
And in the traditional setting in Shue Lanka,
it's not so much that you like go to him and say look,
I didn't understand this, I don't agree with this soul.
Something not that, but it's more like, the monge will discussement themselves.
And then maybe voice also some criticism. And then somebody
else will kind of report that to em you know,
band that their voice this discussion and somebody said like this like this.
And then he would address these comments in is
next serman in as what of indirect manual.
Is is just a way in a traditional society and
his discussions are cared out
And given that in the last serman, he took up that into mudacubasage,
which by many as steakern in a very strong sense,
and credisize is so,
it's not supplising that doing the week between the last and this present serman,
that would have been song reaction to what's that.
And so my own impressionists that in this 19 serman,
he is really trying to settle those ideas.
And he's very strong on this position the nebanais not
some sort of eternal
Substantial place, but in the course of doing that in
my own view he's lightly overstates as position.
And so there is a place, where I will be disagreeing with him.
And in edition to that also there is this whole steory of Dubber
self-premation, where I have a that different perspective on
the story, based on the compilative study.
So I just wanted to say, this at the outsets,
so that you are prepared for some cognitive
dissonance on hering this talk
And as always,
like to just emphysize that I'm only giving my personal view
point and you should our feel completely free toom and take
it or leave it and just seed as a an additional perspective.
On the mully powerful in profiled, semins presented by bequem in aneinander.
So much for introduction, now that is getting to the
actual talk. Ethang, sandang, ethang, panit,
thang, yeah, didn't say than car to samato
Sap opa dini sango in tanhank you, viragoni order, nimm bahnen.
This is peace for, this is excellent namely,
the stilling of wall preparations, the relinquishment of wall assets.
The distruction of traving detachment susesation extinction. My the permission of
the most venomber great receptor in the are sembly of the venible manitative monks.
This is the 19th Sermon in the serious of Sermons,
on nimm bahnen. Du wolltest die Enter for lass sermon
restarted commenting on the 2 terms saw opaddy
seaser nebenbahn and hard to, and anopaddy seasani bahnen tadu
Our discussion most based on an discourse,
which spiel quarted from digity wood the count.
We are so intrue a tension to a certain analogy fund in the discourses.
Which is shows that the Tony and Banner elements,
actually represent to stages of textingbishment implicit in the terminate Banner.
When no more fire word is at that do a blazing fire.
Flame is would subscient. And the longs of word already
murning going smoldering as embers.
After some time they to get extinguished and become ashes.
Myth regard to the other hand to,
we have to think and turns of this analogy
You can me take and as an illustration
of the tourney born are elements. To the extent,
the litting other hand is free from fresh crassings,
last hate and illusions, do not flair up?
But so long, it's see has to be are in
the burdon of this organic combination, this physical frame.
The other and has to experience,
a certain afflictions and be receptive to like cent this likes,
pleasures and paints. In spider for that,
mandaly, ears access to the experience of the extemplishment here's
all really one
It is in that sense that the other hunt is said to be
in the nebenbaren element with resident will cleaning in his every deal life,
while taking in the objects of the 5 sensors.
At the last moment of the Arahanslai, eben his organic buddy,
that had been gust as oppointing now has to be abundant.
It is at that moment,
when he's going to indeteches mind from the body,
that unlew body says, sine,
paddy nepenbaren and how to come see.
And brief hint to this effect is given in a one
of the versus orguring in the nargas
or that refer
to earlier
The Verse runs this. Veteran, video do so,
video moho, on a savo. Sari rang,
video hang, nago, video miss it in NASA rum.
The one who are is a bone and last,
hey, than de lusion is influx free.
That elephant of a man on giving up his body.
Will I tain full a peace on being influx free.
Coming to translation by big a body. Devoid of lust,
the void of headtrip, the void of delusion without tains.
The nother in this scarding has body
tendless is artilles question entertains funnel nebenbei
And he is also that parent from the minia argument.
Free from sexual design, heatred,
having the scarded ignorance and attained the state with outtains.
When the naga bundance his body, this naga is said life season.
End of common. If we deefine imbrief,
that two one epen bound elements this way,
and more difficult problem conference us relating to the sense,
and which they are qualite didynamic and Sambaraiker.
Did dynamic a means what pertains to this life
and Sambaraiker refers to what comes
after that
What is there in the signating, so our parties,
is that nippen bahn and hard, as not that Hamica,
and a no pari see, signipen bahn and hardware sambaraiga.
In der Kontext of Kamera, the meaning of these two drums
is easily understand. But many comes to neben Bahnen,
such in application of the terms would employee to types of nimm empanic mless,
one to be experienced here and the other here after.
But that kind of explanation would not accord that this build of this drum on.
Because the build that all this end thesizes,
the fact, that neben Bahnen is something to be realized
here and now
in Toto
It is not that peace me a realization, leaving something for the here after.
Such störens like in the the time in this very life,
sanditica here and now and the carliger timeless, emphesized this aspect of nebenbei.
In the kontext of nebenbahnen, these two terms have to
be understood this representing to asspects of a perfect realization,
atainably in this very life.
Briefy stated nobody says and it bahnen tatum is that,
which conference the certitude, well in time.
But the appeacement experience by in other hand doing this life,
time remains unchanged even at the to say that there's
a possibility of realizing or assertaining one state after debt,
my deven seem contradictory.
Hawk and one realize one's after debt state.
Mega than eclear got answer to that question in the foreign
pastage in that it hard to be bangos with that,
up the money may nicai.
There are tabi, mayking co till one,
joe partician, wattin shipper tician, till and partician?
Ja, ja, ta. Da ist jemand,
der last ticio button tian, jeppardi yardana, an myasujanupa,
harder, an nahaharo nippenbariadi, heber me emercob,
hecken conkai parianti can, weder lang vediamana.
Caria Varianti can,
weder lang vediamana,
caria Varianti
Je mit der Barriante Kang Vederang, weniger Manu.
Je wieder Variante Kang, Vederang, wieder Jahr, meint die Barriannadi.
Kaya Simeda, Parang, Madonna, Utendang, Jevita Barrianna,
der Vater, der Italiener, der Italiener, der City.
Wir wissen die Idee Pajanadi. Just is monk and
our land, burns depending on all and the wick.
I mean, that all in the wicker used up.
If it does not get it, any more of these.
It is exting wished from lack of fuel. Even so monk,
when you feel so feeling limited to the body,
he understands, I feel to feeling limited to the body
When you feel so feeling limited to life,
we understands, I feel a feeling limited to life?
You understands on the breaking up open is body,
before life becomes extinct, even here mitself all that is feld,
not being delited in well become cool.
Coming translation by Indiana Moni, meco injust as and our
lampen burns, independence and all and a wick.
And when the orland wick I used up,
if it does not get any more fewer,
it as extinct with from a like of fewer.
So to, when you feel to feeling terminating with
the body, a feeling terminating with life?
You understands, I've feel a feeling terminating
with life
You understands on the disolution of the body with the ending
of life all it is feld not being delited in,
we come could a right here and here ist der Maniama Adamout Parallel.
Monk it is just like a lam,
that burns independence on All and a week.
If nobody adds all a land surprisor wick,
than once what had early I mean supplied comes to in in the lam,
does not continue burning, having no more few on.
In the same way, when the monk experience is the
last feeling to be experienced by the body,
you're not that he seeks beancing in the last feeling to
be experienced by the body
When you experiences the last feeling to be experienced in this life,
you were know that he's experiencing the last feeting to be experienced in his life,
which them breaking up of the body at the end of life,
when the last band has been completed on feelings completely seas and countonent,
in ours that you have become cool.
Hand of comment. And the last sentences particularly not word,
the in that you drefirst to on understanding,
well before hand that all feelings not being delited in,
we me come cool at that.
The futuristic ending,
significes in a shoulence,
he and now
The world ideal, even hear itself, clearly brings out.
The delicting will not be there, because all craving for fresh existence is exterpated.
The Arantise one this issuerance or the inis arrahatta, Parlacemani.
In when she experiences, the cooling of all feelings,
that is why me find the Arahans giving expression to their nippen bannipless in the words,
see it imhotos me in dem Motto,
and gone coolem my year, extinguished,
commons transcession by nowman,
I have become cool,
quenged,
end of comment
Since for the other hand, the schooling of fearings
is a matt up experience in this very life.
This realization is we fird to as a obababa by the Nippenbahner in the discourses.
Yeah, we seem to have falling to another track.
We opened our discussion with the explanation of what unnot party
says are party Nippenbahner is.
Now we are on an upana bei den Nippenbahnern.
How we're me do this thing wish between this too?
And no party says, a parinien bahner,
comes as as as at the last moment of the other hangs life.
When this organic combination of elements, grast part excellence,
opbadien,
is this scarlet for engine
But I'm not bad up buddy nebenbahn refers to the adata policy matti as
such for which even other terms like an Opada vimokka,
are also a light on occasion. As the term on on parada parinipenbahn as signifies,
the adahan experiences, even in this vail life,
that complete extinguishment but in hippenbahnen.
In is adahatta, pala Samani. This fact is
greening product in the die are low between beneval saripot
and van our bundenamon danibutter in der Atari Niedersutta auf
der Margin-Manikaya
Wenn er über Sunny Potters Exostive Interlocation, Anning with Kim Attang,
Chara, Wolfsburg, in Bratma Charlie und Wolfsburg.
Für den Sake of What, then friend is the only
life lift and the the excalted one.
Und jetzt in der folgenden Conclusive Answer, von Benjamin Punen nomin tanniput town.
Anu baba ba dinipen ba na tang corabo,
Chan vagavati in Bratma Charlie on muccity.
Friend it is for the sake of perfect nip ban,
of it our crash being and that the only life is
lift underly exoted one.
Coming translation yanna moni. Friend it is for the sake
of find that find on your
ba nomit out clean that the whole life is lift
under the placed one
And in their minimal argument. In that case,
for the sake of what, I your practicing to really
life and other financian good amount, for no montany
butter replied, a minimal friend, for the sake of new
and bahn of the thought remainter, and of common.
As the goal of indever, I know that a party need bahner,
Julie, does not mean the ending of life.
What did it implies is the realization of nebenbahnern?
It is that experience of the cooling off of feelings.
The other hand costs, du in die Arra hatte,
Palacemani. Et is sometimes also gold in Neurupadi,
the asset
You're we're have a problem office emontic type. At the
late and date, even the term neuropody says are,
seems to have coming to vogue, which is probably a cognate,
formed after the term on our body says.
Nowhere, in the discourses,
one comes a crossfit to Neuropody says are pain in bahn.
On is at Sterms als Neuropody, Neuropody, Neuropody dammon
are mettweth. The all rifer to that other hot the
policy matty as for anystance in the volling word vose,
which we had location to quote early at doing.
Caryena, Amaton, the hard on,
pusser yet, bahn in Europa dingen.
Opa, bei den NSA gegangen,
seien in Ticatova,
Anna Sabo
These cities, someone, somebodn't how ask young parton.
Having touch to with the body and the definitely's element,
which is asset less. And me allies that a linkwishment of
assets, being infracts three, the perfectly and lightn't one
proclaims that soul less, taint less state, coming translation by Ireland.
Having touched with his own person, the definitely's element,
free from clinging. Having a realized relinquishment of clinging,
his tains all gone. The fully and lightn't one proclaims,
the soul less state that is void of stand.
To proclaim, one as to be allie
Der vor Neuropa, die ist, used in the discours
is definitely forny, at at that palace a maddie.
Which is a living experience for the other hunt.
An ubana party neeben Barne, an ubana di mokka and
Neuropa de or refer to that experience of the cooling of feelings.
This fact this clearly of revealed by the forming two versus
interview the nars on youth of the Sanyutanicaya.
So my don't sampaciano, said to build nars is savaco,
veder najo badia nati, veder narn and sampavan.
Yeah, than Chitanio, than the markenganjek, caya,
Garminon, veder narn narn narn, caya,
meheckengo,
nickenchator bei den Nebenmotoren
Common Translation by Bikoboni, and disciple of the buddha mindful
concentrated comprienning clearly understands feeling, and the original feelings.
Where the finally seas and the park leading to not distruction,
with the distruction of feelings and make with Hungerliss and fully question.
And here as the Samyunta Agama Perle, yeah,
so and one noise, alreformations,
I impermanent and all of a natured to change.
For smith reason, all feelings are said to
we doca
Whitely an bearlizing, what is do we known?
Among that is diligent with clear right knowledge and emorble in
relation to all feelings understands and with whiston. Now,
helling known or feelings here and now destroyed in the infraxis
at death of the body will not a beer forever in the sphare.
Is forever in the sphare of nimbal? And this is just
a very running translations with don't don't quote me for that,
I would have to sit down in to a proper translation
Just to give your general in deal that some you to argama is is
fairly close similar too to the party and of comment.
In this couplet and the experience of the fruit of other and hold is presented
under the heading of feeling. The disciple of the wonder consentfated,
fully away and mindful understands feelings,
the original feelings and the point at which days or seas,
and the way leading to the extinction,
with the extinction of feelings that monk is hungalists and perfectly exting with.
The reference years to that bliss of nibana,
which is the board of feeling,
are we digitasuper
It is hungerless, because it is free from craving.
The perfect exting wishment mentioned here is not to be understood
ask the death of the other hand.
In the discords, is to do turn pandemible modell,
is used to a such even with reference to the living other hand.
Only in the commentaries, we find and destinction made in this respect.
The paddy nippen bahn of the living other hand this quality
lazer by the nebenbahn. The perfect exting wishment of the definance,
why what come is at the last moment of an other
hands life is got can that paddy nebenbahn.
The perfect exting wishment of the groupshow agogets. Such
a qualification, I was not funny in the discourses
The reason for this distinction was probably the isemantic development,
the term party in Barnhead and the Gollen in the cause of time.
The fact that this perfect exting wishment is essentially psychological, seems stuff
binic nore with the passage of time. That is why
today on hearing the word need party in it Barnhead,
one is emindly rereminded of the last moment of the like of the bundan,
all in other hand.
In the discourse is hear about in it Barnheads clearly in
experience of the living other hand,
in is other at the palacemadi
This factors guilty burnout by the statement in the data
vibangas to do all dequoted. You name, submarvinaitani,
I'm abinanditani, see, lieber wissern, dee, die Pajanadi.
You understand is that all what is feld will cool off
, he it's so. It is this very understanding that
is his sensure. Et gives the certitude that one
can defit mara at the moment of that,
two the experience of the coaling of of feelings.
The frace and jivita Variante gang medonan, we first to the feeling,
which comes at the termination of once life.
For the arrahunt, the arrahata,
Palasamadi, stands in good stand.
Particularly at the moment of there
That is why this croll that cooper,
cito vimute the unshaker, that the rands of the mind.
All other and deliverances of the mind,
get check on before the pain of that.
But not this unshaker, deliverance of the mind,
which is a realization of exting mission,
that is a vailable to the other and already in the other pallace are maddie.
In the experience of the cooling of for feelings.
It is this unshaker of the deliverance of the mind,
that the buddha in the other hands resort to
addend of the limbs,
been marle comes to
braven sees
So now we can hard back to that verse,
which comes has the ground final in the long discuss
from the itibut to cow we have already quoted.
Yeah, either than yeah, yeah, Podanga,
Sanka, dong, we muted chitten that,
aber nicht in die Sanka, ja.
The tamasara, did a mara-karriere that behangs to this samba,
Barvani, tadina. Comment, transcational irone, having understood,
the young conditions state to released in mind with the court of mean disstroying.
They have a tained at the nummer assence.
The lighting in the distruction of craving and those
is areened one's have a bundle to being
End of Command. This verse might appear problematic.
Is it occurres at the end of a passage
steeling but the two neebenbaren elements? Jeder dann,
ja, ja, Padana, Sangotton,
don't so having fully comprehen it and this unprepared state.
We more to the title, da harvan nennen die Sango ja.
I released in mind, by the cutting of authenticals to becoming.
Teen Hambasada einigermarkt Karriere, taking the light in the extrapation of feelings.
Due to the autainment of the assence of Number,
that is the unchucked unchakable in the limbons of the mind.
Pahanged to the Samba Baran Italien, being stead fastly,
such like, they have never enough ball phones of becoming
And the last line is an alluision to the experience of
the sessation of the existence you and known,
which in effect is to be alization of nebanon.
True to the definition, how many door don't nebanon.
Sessation of existence is neben Bahnen. It is that very
sessation of existence that is call all that suncer that that
hard to and the unprepure and element.
If mother or existence is to be quite suncer than,
and the prepared. And the sessation of existence has to
be dasinated that as as are suncer than.
The unprepared beard. Here lies the difference between the two
So me have you to aspects of the same unprepared element
and daysignated as so oppody says upon in neebenbahn and tarto
and un more buy the says are party neepenbahn in the hearto.
The mind is free a even that the stage of so body
says and to the extent that the smallering embers, to more see fresh free.
I know body says up we first to the fun experience of extinguishment.
The elements of the term party neebenbahn are lies in effect,
that that the moment of that,
the other hunts, direct their minds,
to this unshake about deliverance of the mind. This is the eisland,
there are we so to when
marta comes to black
The best interspation for all this is the way in the budden
the face that, when the time came for it.
Wenn einmal eine Runde delinier it side beautifuly in the following tom versus,
now who are as a says a passage, technicitent,
tassa tardinum.
Anecio, Santimara bar, Young Carlo, Maccarli Moni.
Assalini, Achitantin, Veenen, Andyavasay, Panjo,
that see
vanipen barn and dimocco
Adverting to whatever piece in the original sage,
read the end of his life spen.
There were no inbreath and output for that stead fasting,
such like one of firm mind, with the mind fly a lerd
he bough up the pain than the liverance of the mind,
was like the exting mishment of a touch.
Kommentiere es denn, Translation by Morris Walsh?
No breathing in an out and just with stead fast hard.
The sage who was freed from last has has past
to way to piece. With his mind on shaken
here and you do paints by nimana the lumined minds
is free
Freed. And here a sure transsation by me can boo,
they have the same boy spont ours and is a mutanicaria, sechs Point 15.
Der, wo es nun mal in and outbreeling in
the stable one of steady mind, when unstirt,
bent on piece, the one with vision a tained final nipanal.
And when my because body in a food nown 4 to 6
or so reports remarked by the month one, he,
we first to as a banard to now and the teater.
And this is this same month,
that I prefer to as mony because the one who does not
like his name to be mention and of hose Translation of Attica Wagamparaien,
aber gar nicht in der Prerious Talk.
Also, das ist möglich, das Following zu machen.
Die Upsense von innen und outbriefen in Partaien,
referst in das Staat in der Forst Cana,
die bereits seasons from which the bunderpast away.
Und ich find,
this very very part in and remark and I
infact think that the point rhenom in the first verse in
venough allow rhunders comment on the bundespasing me a really refers
to than aspekt
So if we just be fly, we capitulate before Aston Buddha
is a got to pass away and runner and onanda as there.
And the Buddha is ghost through the for absorptions and then
the foremer to eletainments, until here, which is sociation.
And our rundamic, cause of his telebratic powers,
is able to monitor in pollow net progression.
And so I to moment the Buddha tensituation,
anonymers as as all the Buddha has passed away.
And I not rud a correction, not as not passed
away, is a tain sociation.
Then the Buddha goes downigan,
this goes me
From Sessation, all the way down, the four in my team is,
the four three second and first upsorption and then first second
third in 4th upsorption and then that point he poses away.
So the point,
of this whole meditative tour and I have this custods in an article,
in more detail the point of this whole meditative tour is to show,
how even at the bring of that the buddhas,
maintenant is an tie,
meditative mastery
This is a sign of meditative mastery in der diskurses,
when one can just move up and done through this whole range of meditative atainments.
And then the particular feature of entering the fourtabsorption,
the fourtabsorption as related in the diskurs to the upsance of breening.
So, the point seems to be that and what I
know do the hood points out is there was no more breathing in and out,
even before that.
And this is this tainers of the mind. And Anato Santim
Araber Annettio imperteurable is a qualification of the fortabsoption.
At is a times also used for the two higher emergy retainments only,
but ingeno it we first of the foto in tourcian.
And then is also peaceful. So based on that imperteurability
and peace of the fotoabsoption, the sage past a way.
And I she's mean. I take this to exemplify or to
highlight effect that nona there takes place by when the really mecomes everymore be
labor and that high in person minute gast for breath antil
he are she breath this their last and in the case
of the buddha besides dring this whole meditative tour he or really let core of the breathing even before that.
So that makes his actual death even more peaceful. This not he in a way,
you could say didn't breath his last in the sense of
that with the last breathy nite,
but he were did got
the beating before
And this is,
and this is just my understanding,
and I different this from the commentary in the commentary tics,
on nature some something Araber,
as Reference Tony Barner,
and infected even goes so far as to seeing that it
is for the sake of that Anejo and something that to
builder and past a way and menom and an analyst going to corrected in the positive that we can to right after my comment.
But my personal understanding of this voice is really about letting
go of briefing even before the moment of positive way.
And here, I also have that to a chinese panels
from the arenga argument and from the complizent you to Araber
So the important point, I want to make invelation to the discussion
that then about you. It's quite to offer is concerns,
always the first chiness character in the second line,
which correspond to the understanding of arabbat that,
wenn man young an anonysqueing to argue that this based on
or from that kind of condition here to tain that the Buddha ended financiobana and not for the sake of.
And younger arabma in the first line And the buddha for
the shake of the wording in the uncondition,
did not require a breathing in an out.
And nice to brings out the point that I just
try to make on the significance of the brad,
the upsince of the brad and the buddhistsitument of Prenimont.
End of comment. The Alusion here is to the deliverence of
the mind. This is a description of how the buddha attend pudding in Barnon.
There is great debt in this two versus that commentarial exageses,
seems dove, going to attends in it this point
Commenting on the last tool lines of the first words,
the commentary observes, but in the moni,
sunting a missarmy, the sunting arab locala maggerien.
The bunda, the sage,
past a way for the sake of that piece,
with the ID, I've went go to that state of piece.
There's some discriptionsy in this explanation, commentare this themselves,
usually give quite a different sense to the world adamba,
then the one implicit in this explanation,
held means for the sake of
It is for an the sake of that peace,
that the would nose said we have past a way.
In such commentaries is charta cara to catta and number by the
art debatta commentators do not used the world arababba in the introductory episodes in the sense.
That only means in connection will, indicating the origin other story,
as a suggested by the ethemological background of the world itself.
When for instance, it is say that the bundar preach the particular sermony in connection,
when they were that attitate, it does not
necessarily mean that it was men for him.
I mean, on have mean there are done.
It maybe that he was already than by that time
The Term Aramba in such contexts only means that it mores in connection with him.
It can we fire to a person on incident,
as the point of origin of a particular song. Randod this,
we have to explained diversing question and not as an alusion,
to the fact that the bunda and the sage,
past away for the sake of that peace with the idea,
I will a tain to that piece.
It only means that the bunda of the sage, pastaway,
having broad, is mind into that state of piece.
In other words, according to the commentary,
in the passing way, comes first and the beast later.
But according to the sutter proper,
piece comes first and
the passing way later
Wer ist der Crucial Point in War of the This Commentario Divergence?
It has the presummtion that the building up has the way
in wanted to enter into that in demand a element.
This presummtion is evident quite ofter in the commentaries. When hard put to it,
the commentaries sometimes conclude the sodast standpoint,
but more often then other vise,
they follow all line of intuputation that comes dangerous league close,
to an eternalist point of view, regarding in Barnum.
Here to the commentarian exages is,
based on that Jamaira Arabman,
a run is the same risk
On the other hand, as we have point it out
the reference years to the fact, that the wunder averted
his mind to that peace. Well, before the ownset
of that. We are my matters attempt his fuiled,
because feelings are already cooled off. It is here that
the unshake about deliverance of the mind process well. As a real Isation,
it is already a very about to the building and the
other hands and the other palace a matter.
I mean, the time comes, they put
forward in this experience to beat of modern. That is why
we find this string of epithets for nibana success tanen,
lehnen, neban, sorren, breiern,
caming and Amadon
When face with that, or on the pain of that,
it gives protection, down, it provides shelter,
like a cave, lehnen, it is diale and liepon,
with then easy which, it is the refuge,
suther non, and the result, parian on.
At is the security came on,
and about fall the death is, Amala, Amaton.
This death is nothing the experience in this very world,
and by death comes to this realization
stands time in good stand. Command you and this,
we are now come to the point where I forced to
express my,
this addreamment
Ja, das ist ja before I hope this is going
to be take and as just analyous opinion and not as
a programation of their definite two.
But I not able to follow this I deal of Buddhis
and otherns having to anthony particular concentration or to beat of modern.
First of all according to the indoor to vibanga,
suta passage that was this cust earlier and the sage it
peace no long
a dice
So if and anhand no long adise,
because there no longer bound by the concept of this,
why do they have to do something,
why do they needs something in edition, when that actually comes?
And then this whole idea of matter coming to gram.
It's something that doesn't resonate with me. In the case
of the bounder matter is on record in 24th discos
of the matter is on youta.
To have much early a realized that he can on get
it the boot and anyway.
He tried for long time, but yeah,
went you found, it's
systempossible for him to do anything
And he come mother compares himself to a craw that sees
a stone and things it's a peace of fett and price
to eat it and we are listen
this is a peace of stone I can't eat it.
Marder is himular in compassion to the bunda. And the bunda
is out of marders reach and with there he is life
or with the moment of this more or doesn't stand any
chance. And as there then about young on under clearly
said or so other handship is not a peace mill of fair.
If Arahansa truly free, there is no need for them
to do anything special at the time of passing away in
order to fall mother
Even if they like Xae and I don't possive away in an accident,
so quickly that he or she can on get into any kind of somady.
It would not make any in difference. Man or doesn't
standard chance. So the idea of mothercoming into grab is relevant for those,
where mother things that they are not other hands.
And so one such cases, the case of Godica,
this is the 20 turn in discourse in the mothers and youta,
who are poundly only becoming other hand at the time,
here at all the committed suicide and when passing away
Today disquite natural that mother comes and checks and once to see
were goody guys and it up, being we born.
And the nother search case is the story of Vakalin.
Es ist in der 80-7 to course of the 20-second song you tell.
And there is someone clarity with a vaccally was wording other
hand that the time of committing suicide or not.
But apparently mother here also to that this is not an other hand.
And so you how is around and monst to find out
burbaccal years gone and then the buddha declares not now.
Buckaly paste ways in other hand and there's nothing
for mother to do
So the only way for mardo coming grabbon sees as as when
he as under the mistaking impression that they're people in case
are not other hands.
But for those when Buddhis and other hands,
this nothing for mardo to coming and grabb.
And therefore this whole a series of series of positive images.
The Island to cave the refusion etc. I don't think that
can be taken to mean that the experience of nibana as
some special drop of concentration that Arhance and Buddha revered to
at the time of passing way or to beat
of mother
This in my view consible more profiled. And with that,
I'm not in anyway wanting to ray for in Yabana,
as on actual Island, as on actual cave,
somewhere, we're one can high.
But just to say that this positive terminality,
I believe is on purpose in order to counterbalance the tendency
to what equating Nibana, just with anilation.
Yeah, I think that is what I want to do
say.
End of common
Why a Venuel on our runder, brown it in the performance
profile, concept of dead with the expression, Carla Marcarine,
to this worst, discriming the bundes, buddy nebana.
It's also a question that should a rest our attention.
This particular expression is generally used in connection mit der death of ordinary people.
Why did you is this expression in such a how load context?
And it's only to listinguish and the market that deliverance of
the mind couch and the frace,
we moccucci it as well who from the phänomenon of dead itself.
The bunder is in Adrahans osserbandeness Body a like other beings.
The expression Carla Marcarine, made a land of time,
his an alorian to this phänomenon
Infekte gesungen in der Bunde sind allerhand, so truly magan end of time.
The infully our way of him. Kommen ja,
I think this is a way beautiful and powerful point.
And of comment. And there for the most immportant revelation
main in the last to lines of the first inverse.
And it just sometime Araber, young carla macarimoni,
is the fanct that the Bunde past away,
having brown his mind to the piece of nimmbarner.
Common yeah, I say, send a barf,
I'm not sure, if I nature sentim Araber has to
be take and ass a reference do the experience of nibana,
I believe, it could also be understood there's reference to the forth obsorption.
On maybe even as intentionally unbivalent to catch on the on bot size.
In my as fars, I'm able to say of hand.
I'm not aware of other passages in the sutters that confirm
this in the other hands and the bunda,
have the nibanic experience, as the last moment of their life.
I'm familie, only with this idea from commentariality chain diced
not open to be corrected. If there as some
sutter passages that ein Duo point to this.
But I only know this from this ID of the Bavanga Citan,
the suppliminal kind of mind that caming to an agile that caming to being in order to account for continuity,
when face with the theory of momentariness,
the vadicalization of in permanence,
that to place in the Kommentare period.
And so this Bavanga Cita,
the INDR is that at the moment of death,
what comes up as the most prominent experience in once life
than forms like an underlying theme
Auf der Bavanga Cheater doing once next life. So safe,
we have done something very band, like Kills,
somebody then this comes up and this will then determinal,
so once beamble. And for anybody,
we has experienced and nimana that any level of a wakening,
then this kind of experience will come up but the moment of neth.
And then determining the rebuild or, of course,
in the case of arence and bundards, the upsince of any reamburg.
End of comment. All this goes to blue of net
in other hand, even here,
now in this very life,
pess we are listes up to death
the state
Which is nun other than the birthlessization of all of forms
of existence that amounts to in that listeners itself.
In all religions, other religions, in mortal alty,
something a tainable love to that. If one brings down,
the bundesdamer, also to that level,
by smuggling in the idea of an everlast in ebana,
it prouers, someone this in fact.
That would controduct the teachings on in permanence,
an eacherta and in substantiality on otto that.
But hier, we have an intirely different concept
It is a case of overcoming and they critical situation of that.
By directing mons, mind to a concentration that nully fires the power of modern.
So it becomes clear that two jumps, so particies that parinima and that.
And one body says, pariniba and that.
Stanford to aspects of the term, massacre that datum,
or the unprepared element. As a metor effect,
other hans have eurody, directly bealized,
well in time, they are after death stay.
That is to say, not only have they going to
the experience of extinglishment human now.
But they are also a sure of the fact.
That this extinglishment is eversional, ear reversion on,
even up the death
Since all forms of existence come to sees.
This is an innovation. The importance of which can hardly
be over estinated. Hier in the bunda has transcended even
the decotomy between the two domes sanditicans and breiter.
Generally and the world is in client to believe that one
can be assure on your off things potenting to this life.
In fact the world sanditical literally means, that one can
be sure only of things, visible here and now.
Since one cannot peach you of what comes after dep,
worldings are in the hobbit of investing fail,
in a particular to teacher,
oining gone
To give a clearer picture of the principle involved in the stagement,
that as bring up a simple episode, concerning the general see home.
Includered a montherfives of the ongood that any cary.
Nee, carya. It happens to center on dana cartoon.
On talks on liberality. Lady Bears hoft interlude, after
all these abstruce discourses. See how the general is so
wealthy am benefactor and out with the deep faith in the bound on.
One they here, project the bounder and ask the question,
sacca no company and they sanditical,
that are a palant pania arbeitung.
It's it possible large to point out in and vantage
or fruit of guilling and visible
here and know
What promded the question may have been the usual tendency to
associate the benefits of giving with the here after.
Now the butter in his answer to the question give for it videos,
visible here and now and one at find it to come here after.
The four fruits of giving visible here now are stated this follower.
Daher cassiha, nana padi, bauen und ja nass a bio,
holt die Mana abonn, see a benevelon,
nona is an deal acceptable to many people.
Dianking, down a butting, sound thanks up,
purissa, padian, the good men of hing tegrity result
to that the benevelon in donal
Daher kasse Danapatino, Kalliane, Kitty Sander am Moment zu denen.
Ein Good reported of fame, gross in favor of that
been everyone and don't one. Dyeko, Danapatin, yamia,
deva Paris, and come to yeah, cutting dia,
Paris, and yamia, monoparties, and, ja,
dita happer dipressant, ja, disamana partiesant,
we saw don't don't, come to, come to.
Whatever, sammly that been never end don't approaches,
be and I sammly of kings of promins or houseful this or recluses,
he approaches with self-competence, not crest fallen.
And these four foods or envanted just are recondass sanitical,
because one can experience
them here it now
In edition today is no bundant menschens of hift,
probably by way of encouragement. Do it is outside this
scope of the question. Naja, could see here,
down a partie, can you see mind that,
rang more na, sugar things that, can you do.
And then benevelon done is see, when you see
Brunnie Breaks up, after death, is reborn in a happy,
happenly world. And this is a fruit of giving that
partains to the next world, somebody,
I can't
down a palant
Than see the general makes of common, which is dyingly relevant to our discussion.
Yanni mani van de vagovatar entstanden than is an didn'ticanian,
dana pallani acatani, nachhang et de vagovatar is at the high,
but channy. Ahunby, Dani Jana mi. Yanni Chakoman,
van de vagovagovagovago, dani, bade, carry, seminar,
pallang matter nattersugating, thank you, thank yanna mi,
et than Chapana than, vagovago, thank yanna.
Those for 40s of giving a visible humant
now, which the lawred has preached
As for them, I don't not billy about a faith and the exalted one.
Because I'm minds have no link to be so. But that's about,
which the exalted one said, see how,
can be everyone and don't know in the Bodybreaks up,
after depth, is a being one in a happy heavy world,
this, I don't know.
As to that how ever I believe,
out of faith, in the exalted one.
Coming translation by mick and body. I don't know see
a monifician giveer, is the any greeable to many people.
This is a diagractly visible food of giving. Again,
good persons, resort do and don't a monifician giveer.
This two as a diagractly
evisible front of giving
Again, a donal munificent give a quires, a good reputation.
This too is a diacly, a visible food of giving.
Again, whatever, assembly Adonna, monificent give approaches,
wherever of cutties, moments, house would this or assadics.
Ear projects it, confidently and compose,
this two is addirectly visible front of giving.
Again with their breakup of the body after that,
a donal, a monificent given, is we born,
a good testination, in a havenly world.
This is
a fruit of giving partining to
future lines
Herrliche. Denn I do my core by face in the blassed
one concerning bees for a directly envisible fruits of giving declarbar hin.
I know than two. But when the blassed one tells me,
see ham, but the break up of them body up and they don't a monificent given,
is reborning a good destination in a havenly world.
I don't know this. And here, I go by
face interplaced one. End of comment. We gowning the
first for at mindages of giving see assess.
I don't not believe out of face than they exalted one,
because I'm more said, now them to be song.
Nothing at the baggobato, said, that, that,
that,
It is because he knows out of his only experience,
that their effects,
that it does not believe out of fee in the iscalted one.
There's something deep, worth reflecting appoint in this stegment.
Then with regard to the food of giving mentioned last,
that is to say, the one that concerns they are after someparaical.
The how confessors that it does not know, it as a fact.
But they they believes it out of faith in the exalted one,
at the hong na yanal me, at deutsche Panahan,
Margamadon said, naja got Charmin.
It is because in does not know,
they they believes out of faith in the exoted one
Hier denn, we have a good illustration of the
first principle, we have outlined earlier.
Where there is knowledge in born of person experience.
There's no need of faith. Faith is displaced by knowledge
of virization. It is we are one has knows such
experiencial knowledge that faith comes in.
That is why see how a confessors and that he
has faith in the fifth root of giving.
Which regard to the first form, faith this something
redundant for hin
Now, that we have clorified for alsos of this a first principle.
This is certain interesting middle virs in the Damerbada,
to which we may applyed effectively. No, that of a
flair for riddles, but because it is relevant door to pick.
Assapt door a catain you chi do, chi do,
chi do, chi do, chi do, chi do,
chi do, chi do, chi, do, chi do.
This is a verse attibute to the bunda,
that comes in the Arhunterbank of the Damerbada, which puncy puncy
puncy on voins. Such riddle vs. follow, the pattern open
finger of speech, cold double intending,
which makes use of unbego is words
In der er am Bart von Berset Songs im Last femers
on the first hereing. The would have said to have
employed this device to a rest the listeners authention.
The surface maining seems to go against the down one,
but the provokes deeper reflection. For instance are subbromings faithless,
to we are catany is to be ungradeful.
Sanitan tee, no is a turn for housebreaker.
Hat Haava carson is a hopels case, with no portunities.
Van tasummins greaty of moment. So the surface meaning a
monster this, that faithless ungrade from man and is a
housebreaker, with hopels and gree of loment.
He in the distament supreme
Von der lieben Meaning, the was have to be construte differently.
Als Satan't hohe implies that lovel of penetration into too,
at much faith becomes we don't done.
Akada, the Unmaid is an epited for nimana.
And akadanio is one who knows me unmained.
Sundant and tell you do mains one myscut of the connecting
lings to Sang Sarum. Hat Harvard Carson,
we first to that elimination, our propercurities for himber.
Wann da so is a term from one is and forming
it out desires? The true maining of the worst there
for can be some that best follows
That man where's outcrown fail, as he's a know of now made,
with sunder door shackles to existence and his steuer door possibilities of reenburg.
Where's been doubt wahl designs, he in the distament supreme.
Coming, hier ist Transfersion by Care Norman,
who gives the both meanings to get it where's figurement mit den Breakers.
So upple always say in Breakers tool, make it clear.
The man who is but on design with in Breakers
good on face. Nose the uncreated with them Breakers
is uncreateful
Karks of Remorth in Brackets, his a housebreaker.
Who are is going to big of occasions,
in Brackets for Quells or Remorth, has distroying his opportunity?
Has abonnan deciled is an eater of women,
that is what has been abonnant by others.
Is the best person, in Brackets is one of extreme on does it.
End of comment. Und indescription than turns own to be that of and other hand,
as and aby that of the other hand,
follows the same now, man as the apple that as seco,
saker,
meaning learner,
is a turn applied to those who are
to training for the tainment of our antwort
Um das Streamen, sog da aber nur abwärts.
Literally are seca could you renot this on learned or untrained.
But it is certainly not in that sense that then
Aran discord a secan. His cord a seca in the
sense that he's no longer in need of that training,
that his to say he's an adapt.
Assando to aster be construed similarine. As we have mentioned
before the other hand has allly realized this association of existence
in his other pallace are maining.
There by securing the knowledge of the unmaid uccaton,
or the unply pare that somebody.
The tour magaton new highlights that
fact of realization
The most exter ordinary and marvels thing about the realization of nebana,
is that it gives and assurance,
not only of metal spetaining to this labs and dictica.
But do itself what happens, actually there, Sambaraican,
in other words, the realization of the association of existence.
Nibana as that realization here and now this assisation of existence,
in power and iron to nebenbahn and carries with that the
assuas that there is no more existence out of it.
So there's only one as Samka
that hardle
Diverse, we all be quarted to ends with the worlds,
behangs to the same babaran italien.
Those stead facely such like one's have given up all forms of existence.
One thing should be clear now. Do they are tone epen bana elements,
call as so body see,
sun epen bana that and anno body sees and epen bana datum,
there is no justification,
what suever for taking on our body sees and epen bana and hardware as a place of eternal rest.
For the other hands have ended and ever lasting in
model state
The Death Less Nest of Nebenbana is to be experienced in this world,
it's sell, that is why and other hand,
this said to feast on I'm browsure dettlesness.
Amathan Palibunity, when easy in Adanta, Paris Samani,
when it is time for that,
he brings its mind to the samandy.
And it is, why is part taking of embrocial death wusiness,
that more a quietly takes aways body.
And other hand might even cremate has on goddy, a
siffer this and others. Now, we had an extremely
deepoint in this down. Be have to say something in
particular about to two tom Sankaday in the Sankaday
In all last someone, we happened to you are
rother on users or expandation of such pair rise terms,
like the hiddeshow in the farrisure.
As well as the monday and the Superman in.
The two terms and hit speare, I generally believed to be far a part.
And the gap between them is consived in terms of time
and space. What we compared this cape to that between
the lotosleeve and the clop of what on it.
The railing ourselves of a similarly off, it by the monday himself.
The distance between the lotosleeve and the top of more donit is the same,
as that but we in the hild assure and the father show,
between the monday and the Superman day
Das ist nur einiger Softwares-Spiel bei der Challenge to Deeper Reflection.
Kommen ja in den. End of Common. The down up but a verse,
we quoted early, beginning with the your surparting,
a parting, va pada, pada, vincity,
toom days, nein, the a falles shore,
no hillissue,
no ball this puzzling in a common translation virenorm.
From this not in the farsure, not an yearshore,
no ball, hand of common.
But what it says is than the other hauntest tonscened boys,
the hillissue and the father shore.
And it is says ef years gone,
beyond this shore in the other show as well,
that is to say yes,
tonscened it ecotomy
We have to say something similar with regard to
that do don't suncat in a suncaton.
Sank at all the prepare, is like a prefloral design.
This prepared, florid design, which is in power
or existence, is made up by site way,
with the hour of the glue of craving.
The tangles of views and then notes of concess.
If one me me moves the glue,
discent thangles the tangles, and unty is than noise.
The thank at than or the prepare, itself,
becomes asanka than, the Umbrybed than in there.
The same florial design which what their suncator,
has nomic come the asanka than
Komm an, ja,
das ist ein About of this very power of modern, similarly
spider Vany Balenyana and I really appreciated that I do of
this flower design and then how I puts it like the glue of graving,
the tangle of views and then nots of conseens.
This is another invitation for meditative reflection. Hand of command.
There's itself is the sessation of existence, morny rodon.
When one can person way one self to think of need
baness and exting wish men that term party in Ibana
can world me understand this perfect extinguishment
Der Panini Bahnhof, der Adam Dumbamala Butters rekordet in Youdan, eine spezielle Location.
Ich möchte eine bunte Otter-Tapain von joinen. Wenn du in
Dumbamala Butters in Otter handelst, gehst du über Marvels Psycho-Powers.
Spezialisieren in Amerika, performen beim Masterring der Firmen und digitalen Haltung.
Es ist nicht möglich, mit einem Marvel-Nittel zu sein.
Wenn du in Timself, der die Endoffice-Life-Spenden, hier proachst,
der Buddha in der Firmen-Teams einfach adassive Bagging-Pomissionen,
mit der Worte, die in die Banner Carlo Medanien suggert.
Er ist ein Informator, der in Portunibana welcome on
And the whole two, give the mission with the water,
yes, and the other two,
but you mean do that for with the time, is fit.
Comment and the idea and that that the other was at the end
of his life spend is only find in the commandary,
it is not phone in the sudates elf.
End of comment. As sume ist der Bunde, Atta this words.
Wenn du bei deinem lomana put them rose for me seed,
where ship to wonder circumumumbilated him,
when to be into the sky and is itting cross legit
across the concentration of the fire element,
and rising for mit the tend putting in Bunnel.
As is money does me raculusly self-cremated, in the sky, it leved
no ashes or suit. This was something significant,
that fits in with the definition of nebana so far given.
That is publily white a bunda is said to have out to
this special versup uplift or pan of joy at this extinguishment,
which was perfect in aby sense.
I'm hedical, you're on your own is an your videna,
see in your hangs of baba.
Opas a menge so sang carda, vinyana, at the nangama.
Bodybroker, perceptions, sees, all feelings could out.
Preparations count down, consciousness came to an end,
coming translation my Island
The Body in the cintegrated perception seast. All feelings where
artilly consumed. Mental activities were extinguished and conscious came tour
end, end of comment. This event mass of such
a greate immportance that they don't court and a billowena
rahmen in a rate caha. The bunda related the elevant to
the conglocation of morns when you betont to sabberton the.
Et was not an incidenter mension in replied,
where particular question, but a special perroration,
recounting the event and a commawriting at with the foring two dinner versus,
which so uply quansitute the grand to fine and to
dinner text
Ai yoga, natas eva, Ingelato, ingelato vedes,
on pumpe, brisantas, Jattana, naja, decade.
Evangs, sag mal, die Mutter, an Karma,
Bandurga, Dardingen, Pania, Beton,
Gardine nannten die Patanan, Matsche langzukann.
Just as in the case of a file, blazing like a block
of ironing point of compactness. Many grandioly comes down,
no parting goes by camitrace. Im so, those war,
where released, who have cross over the flots of Shackles,
of centuality,
and reached bliss on Shackles,
there is no parts
to be point
it out
Kommen Translation by Ireland. Justice,
the born is not nown of the gradio faiting clow,
given of by the furness heat it Iron.
See this struct with the smith hannel. So,
there's no pointing to the born of those perfectly released.
We have cross the flown of bornnetch sense design to taint on checkablemblemless.
Yeah, this point, I want to continue by Offring Song comments.
Und hold Double Story. And have not broad to in the air are chinese power,
because I'm giving the Full Translation of the Channes Paula in ein artiger Publish,
but me as to be leading for this lecture.
This arty can can also me found in part of my collected,
papers on the same you to argo,
mich thanks studio copyright, I'm know,
soon able to but up at the University website for freedown long.
And before and getting into,
I'm saying in the article and other additional argument,
forward I'm presenting here, we let's to levitation.
This is just something I started at the
point later than writing this article underbout
And as far as unable to say in the ID of Lavitation,
started of with the ID and that such labitation ohne involved
the immaterial by the mindmate body.
So when the Bulldard and his other hand to sap its fly up to haven to visit,
some goals and have conversations with them the idea place to
be that they were sitting and meditation and then this mendal
body was kind of moving up and doing all this conversation,
but the physical body would still have been see to down in the putty
or whatever the force, whatever many tating. And it
seems only as Element of Literalism, which Richard Gombry has
so rightly identifyd as the main of force of changing buddhist traditions.
So ein Effekt of such a literalism,
the idea of livitation, then became something physical,
that one can actually move up the physical boarding into the air.
And this is also even and here and the Dhamma-Story.
So this as an additional point to the probably lateness
of the narrative, ofn that by self-cremation.
And this is in line with the general pattern in our
downer in discourses, we're quite a number of
Sucht, that we get a reverse.
And then we get a proce that comes with that voice,
which we can clearly see is a later development based on
a little reading of the verse.
This this are example house it. King-Karriere oder Panina arbeiten,
JSA, Banasi, Jung, Tanhai, Mulatotocetpa,
Kissa, Paris, and on Jerry.
King-Karriere oder Panina, what is the need open well?
If what is
all around
Heaving Crawt Caving as the root in search of watch you
pon wonder. So this is merically a verse where the
idea of the well is ment in a metaphorical sense.
But liter tradition than this was they can literal and we
get a very strange pros narrative based on this literal sense
of a well and some brahmen said full filt up this well with chave.
But that didn't want to build to drain for made
etc. And in my article based on the translation and compertive
study with the some youpt
a algorithm
Para, to the Damber Story,
I argue for the possibility,
that this idea of number rrising up into the air and self-promating itself,
could be another instance of such a literatural reading,
that the original point war simply a comparison of their condition of the other hand to burning spark
or pellet, that flys of,
agathics ding bestand made air,
that that was just a metaphon,
for this cribbing that there's no way to track down the part of the other hand,
after they have past a way,
as no part to be point
and out
On there's no pointing out to the born, as in this two translations.
And so that this matter for was stake and literal.
And eliterally reading of this matter for similar to this well story,
then let to this idea that it must we 4 to somebody,
or and some othern who actually lifts up into the ear and there stars to self-cremate himself.
And this is of further significants, because in the story
of and doubles, self-cremation is the only instance of such
self-cremission befind in the discourses. And this Literally motive,
then starts to pop up in some vinner, yeah,
is buddy becomes particularly prominent in lated text,
particular famous instance the lot of sutting,
where we got the description of a bodysattbar, immulating himself.
And this then least on to another literally ism,
when this textreach chinan, this is being beautifuly started by Ben,
in this book a learning for the buddha,
where this Literate Description are taken as action injunctions for practice.
And so we have starting I believe with the 4th of 5 century,
we get this instances of morns actually burning themselves.
Putting themselves on fire. In spired by these discriptions.
And this is something that has come very much doing.
Public tension since this in the 7 dienst,
then mit 7 dienst, when I vietnam is monk, burn
to misself sitting in perfect concentration and unmoved to this
flair of fire that was consuming
as body
And it is too continuous there are even not too longer go,
news of debatten morgens,
pudding themselves on fire in protest against the chines government, infringement
on their personal to be tea and religious rights.
And I have myself doing the early times of my monquard I stayed in
a chines monistry in solon thailand, really beautiful cave modustry.
And the upon that, burnselve of his fingers.
And he explained to me, so he he would get You know,
there this as bestes gloves that one uses for those who work with like heated metal.
And so he, hey,
got one of these sklavis and he catalitical holes or that
he could like put one thing around and the best of
the hand was than prospected by this as best ins glove.
And would not can demnation than he was take cotton,
shock it in all and roll it, round the thingle.
And then seed in found of the arter and get the
tipp of the think a lit by the alters canner and then
sit and recyct the lot of such to are until the thing us burn down.
And he had done that, I think,
he had burn five thingles all together two on one
and three on the other
And interestingly one of the thing guess he burn as in offering for cybabber.
It's very interesting, instance of crossful in this in devotional act.
And I was that that time not away of the background to this top of practice,
which to small extet is still lower days done by channes
molostics when it the time of the ordination,
they get small pieces of insense,
usually maybe 9 or 3 that depute on the head and then they burn and this leave like title,
yetle, blank spots.
So you can see would many change monostics,
many look at their shaved had you can see like little
This lot of points, nice the arrangements is
the left over, from this learning practice.
And I most it made that in my one research on this
double story on its tracing down, all these instances of literalism.
The literalism in China is definent. Und wer ist noch
question about and. And then my have bottles is,
and I very call this in the article,
this just an high potters is,
that all of this might have started of with their literal
reading of a verse,
that just has a matter for it. I find that
bay disturming
And in the shocking in a way.
And I had the opportunity and to sweep mit dem Ben,
the one who did this very beautiful study and he said you found my presentation quite convention.
And he are just had not look that the early sutties
for his otherwise very components of study,
also showing chines president for this kind of self-imulation,
that has become a very prominent feature in history of the buddhist preditions.
So I think this is this is what I have to
say on the double story and this purpse experts explains why
I want you at the outside of this explains why I want you at the outside of this makes sure of some
communitive disimence cause this the story is it's a tough one I think.
Hand of comment. We have an demigated from the commentare
interpretation in our rendering of the first two lines of the verse.
The commentare engineers too ulternative meanings. Problem because it is
in thought as to the correct one.
First state brings in the idea for browns and by so
that is beating at the forward with an Iron Hammer.
Giving the option that the great your sub-sidence mention in the
verse maybly. I and then do the flames,
what do the reverations of sound and rising on of it
Secondy, can't some says of you, catch it vada.
It gives a nulternative meaning connected with the ball of Iron beat,
that the fourth. In our rennering, how ever,
we had to follow a completely different line of interpretation.
Taking the expression, I you gare 100. I you gare, Hannah tatasse.
Also compression, I you're grew now at tasse end ever.
For the blazing fire, ingela to ingeater
virus. And seeing a fire that is a blazer,
when gets the nation of competness,
as on seeing a that hold block of solidarm
In the Damma Paderborse beginning what say you are yogolo muttental tatto anges your coperman,
matter to swallow,
but hot ironball, that resumbers in flame of fire,
are going to similar is employed, some my differently,
coming translation by nomin,
it is better than Ironball hitted like flames of fire beaten and of count.
The mall of Ironess compare to a flame of fire.
Here the flame of fire is compared to a block of Iron.
All in on, it is high is a
gnificant that them wunder attentry versus of uplife,
in connection with the Paddin imbanner of the Iron commandable
and dumble
monola butter
The most important point that immerges from this discussion is that
nip bahne is is sengely an extinctional extingement.
And next thing wish fire goes nowhere. In the case of other hands,
who were cremated up that we're part in the bahne,
there is a left over as ashes for want to per Patriot,
at least the men me up their existence.
But here, when the men up ma labute,
at this, as you've to end drive a point home.
Through his psychic powers, based on the fire element.
So to it that nine a assues no suite,
will mar his perfect extinctionshment in the eyes of the world.
Denn this war in the munda celebrated it with the special
advents of joy
So then in the sensation of the Christents is itself nebanon.
There is no ever lasting in model, nebanon,
waiting the adance, at the parinienbahn.
That kind of argument in the commandaring sometimes put forward is
now in then advanced by modern writers and breaches too,
in the explanations.
Menit kannst du nebenbahnen, dem besorg to two to pet parables of recent origin.
The parable of the tourtories and the parable of the fronk.
In the former at tourtories, and goes downing to the
water and the ficious ask can where he came from.
The tourtories we play steady came
from Land
In order to the German, what sort of the thing land is,
the fictions goal nothing, the turtories,
and number of questions, based on various qualities of water.
Two is question that turtories has to reply in the negative.
Since land has non of the qualities of water.
The parable of the frog is much the same,
when it gets into what, it has to say,
no know, to every question, put by the tone.
Still I'm family with land. To make the parable's
convincing and those negative unsize the no knows,
are compared to the strings of negative terms,
that are found in the suptoposites,
dealing with the other pallace of mining,
which we are
boardy quoted
Kommen, ja, ei, was thinking about the point,
about the popperly wants to make with this power, as I was not intalissure.
And I just point to take up again,
some you panicare, the oper sible mind of a butcher.
Atanga tanzen in a permanent matti, in yenen,
in yen, in yen, in yen, in yen,
in yen, in yen, in yen,
that no masure, one miss connot.
There's no means, by which to me my speak
of him. Why not phänomen have been up bluted,
doll poth ways of speech hours,
up bluted
So, I think, this worse shows that the ID as such
short flying to combindy idea that are future, destiny of an other hand,
is beyond the ram of language as quite, okay.
And I believe at then that, it make the valuable
himself keeps on pointing out, the limitations of language.
So I simply are zoom that, it's goes me,
as part of this discussion,
which I'm mentioned that you also must uping going on earlier.
That behops to somebody, took this parable of the frog
and at turtles, there are reference to do land
Being something substantial that nibana, as similarly somestod of a land,
do which will can go and that criticism by the Venue aneinander,
refurst to that and not to the basic attern just to illustrate that nibana is beyond being exostifually explained matt means of language.
End of commit. Vor allem ist Sanus top roof,
their point those briters and teachers would researched and the famous unter einer bassage beginning was active became a tactariat and Ja,
dann nehmen wir Batterien ab, oder tätschen, aber way,
you na, casa, nan charrierte, na,
vimian, nan charrierte, na, nan, nan,
nan, nan, nan, nan, nan, nan,
nan, nan, nan, nan, nan, that this way of infinite space, nur, dass wir auf Inprenet consciousness.
No, this way of nothingness, no,
this way of nine perperception, non perception, nine,
this word, not a word beyond,
not a cide on one.
Stears me
Translash my Island, this vicus net state where there is
no old nowhere, no fair, no ear.
No based consusting of the infinity of space,
no based consistent of the infinity of consuists.
No based consusting of an nothing is, no may
is consusting of the nine of perception on on perception.
Nyber this world, 9, other world, no bob.
Nother son, no moon. Hier, micus,
I say, this not coming, no going,
no standing, no this seasing, no uprising,
no things, not moreable, it has not a bot.
Just this is the end
of southering
By do we have reasonably point it out,
that those possages, do not in any way,
referred to a non-discript brown,
in do which the other hands and after the deady mys.
Rhyme that depture tories and the frog can on discrime you.
Such a fascal explanations, controlict the departitions on as a
secial existence, dependent arrising and not sell.
They create a lot of miss conceptions, regarding in our bahnness,
the Ultimate Aine. And the purpose of all those arguments,
as to a certain that nibanes dürfen in lot in an annihilation.
The idea of an every last in Ibana is head out,
in order to only a
nearlistic notions
But the bother himself is this claired that when he has breaching
about to sizzation up existence. Those who held on to eternalist news,
rolling your cues, them for being an uninhilationist.
Who teachers about the anilation distruction and non existence of a july existing being,
sature that that so up and child on my nars and my
nars and my nars and my nars and my nars and
my nars and my nars and my nars and my nars
and my nars and my nars and my nars and my nars and my nars and my nars and my nars and my nars and my nars to counter the accuisation.
Instant he drue attention to the three signature and the
follow with you
And so of the hold problem,
immaintained that the change is groundness and attally misconsived.
And concluded with the memory dipcation. Pometi him,
bKW traitscher, ducan, Chirapania, bene,
no casticer, Neurodan. Formely as well as normons,
I point out on your softwareing and this issation of that software.
Even the turn to targeter are cording to him,
is not to be consive this a surf.
Et is only a mass of suffering that as come
down through some sara, new to ignorance.
The circled existence, bauer is a not come of crash,
being a badana
When rasting seases, existence, comes to in in.
But it serve is this issation of existence,
prominent your over, which is no pan.
As the Terminal Partner, but the nippen bahner suggests,
there's no crusting in the experience of this issation of existence.
It is sony where one is crossing something that he can
be identified with that tour record by it.
But one nets cove, heverything, he goes beyond recording.
Of course, in the commentaries, sometimes you stick expression,
uponiatic, vahavangatar, gone to the state,
beyond the signation with regard to the buddy nebenbei of
and outs
Neverless. Den tatsächlichen Grind in Destination, which in the opinion
difficed definition. Since make arguments are read out with competitions.
The opfer skate the deeper issues of the damma.
Reading to but it chass omopada and an adda.
And see to perpat weight personal deview by slanting doors eternalism.
And is to highlight, some extremely suttle aspects of the
promille of Nibana, that be brawl.all this arguments today.
Thank you for your tension