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And today we are ready for a sense number 7.
But before that a few points from the
last lections
Äh, Passage on the three Sang Cardas.
And the head we've cren pointing out than she down that
this was in particular in relation to their experience of association,
the definition of the Cardas and Garda, the modely Sang Cardas,
really thing etc.
And the same thing, there seem point is also make
by big a boardy in his comments,
me is annotation on the Samutany
Kyle Translation.
He's as this tryed of St. Carda should not you confused
with the tryed discust in munchy manica your one.
300 one this is the two love in Anasuta.
The letter tryed is always introduced in relation to the citization of perception and feeling.
And it's never growth in to connection with dependent origination.
Und wenn du in Damadina also commanded on this their importance
of seeing that the formulation in to vibanga should is not supported by the perle,
she says, it's just in detail after all this made your realize,
you to again, how compared we studies helfen
extragile, that one two enmores of only, my need become
the default approach to the study and practice of early buddhists text.
I was we reminded of this explanation is of was reflecting
that are times to conclusions one every ached by reliing only
on a single version of a challenge your passage.
And a times tirelessly, trying to make sense of it,
aber in acher biast,
by the lack of the whole branche of primary sources.
I think this is a very
important point
Now I come back to let before, we get into the actual lecture,
do it in another coming by Kim Ellen,
that I wanted to share, she said,
you was struck by the profonity of the dog thinking that did looks because the image is there and when in fact it sees it only because it looks,
in media line from Adyashanti,
a mittely another tradition came to mind, you think,
that you resist things, because there are there,
but actually, there and there,
because you resistant.
For me this clicked into place the notion of the
gloor of attachment or equaly of resistance,
mean then necessary ingredient to
assemble fabrications
Und dann war Comment auf der Rechnung zu Sankhittin,
der Pennsuppe, der 5 Graspengroups in der Doku.
Bei Leonard his says,
what has always straight mean this is that in the party text,
the world doker is USS in Objective, not this some sitting,
substantive of which event and bodys translations to use to.
The frace exist duca, duca ish,
does not express a may identification, but are qualification.
Are qualification of the things or experiences,
mentioned in the formulation of the first sucher
So, if we take the frace, punchupodana, candadouca,
we could restated in formuly as experience as a whole underclinging is dukish.
I find that very, very useful. There was also some
discussion on the significance and scope of the five uggets.
And there was a comment by Robert, he's said,
I heard somewhere that decline, I go go goods,
I mented exemplary, and that dissimply complex tose elements,
which we often build our notion of a self-f-or.
So in this case that clinginging a great its are
considered from the perspective of unackter.
And not from the perspective of the
whole of experience
I ed it whole lame. Ja,
I think it's important that to to to see that the
five eigengets our point is to identification patterns.
And so they do comprise the intire gummit of what be might the identifying with,
but I don't think they are mented to provide a complete map if the type,
the get later in the abidamit to ditions.
And this is significant in sofa as is particular in the eigning that of St. Kaders,
which we have been talking about in the last serman,
is really has this very strong point to words volution and mental conditioning.
And but this precisely out of the slightling misleading attempt in
later to dishing to turn the five eyear gets into a complete map of the intire,
gom out of experience,
that this argue get of formations of St. Cardas becomes header under which any type of mental factor,
whatever it is,
is being included.
And thever it's so how loses,
it's practical meaning
Ich bekomme es anything that is not feeling perception or consciousness all that goes on the suncard.
And by trying to turn he the five ugguess into a complete water type map that comprises everything, the actually meaning somewhat get lost. So,
und das war in the things I want to to pick up
from the last someone before getting into the present one and inline with what when man damadine is that about the importance of looking at their paralyversions,
I just wanted to make statement to provide a slight background
to whatever be presenting inilation to Sermon 7. I said that the outset of Sermon one that I am indeeply endepted to vico body and vico nie aneinander vor der Guidance Stay have given me,
when I was to living in Sherlonka,
but after studing with them,
I continued on my own to explore these perl enversions
and that that the image I like to use for that
is somewhat like before I was looking with one
That was when I was just using the party discourses and
under the guides of this two eminent scolemons. But after getting into the pellers,
it was as if I was looking with bold eyes,
there's much of which is seen, which is similar,
but the vision is a little broader and also things in the center on the parifory are put into perspective.
And so because of this, sagen wir mal,
default mode of looking at any passage from the view point
of the fact that this is the final product of
a prolong origins mission
And it's always possible that there is an error or me
steak in the particular line of transmission, be this the party
or in other. And there for as much
is possible to look at the part.
I sometimes have come to different conclusions. I there different
with big a body all with big conyon and and one.
And in the present summon, I will be presenting a
different perspective on particularly what is the main topic of this someone 700.
And in does some of in yanna,
the no
manifestative conciousness
And I would just like to put on record that this is not in any way
moment so from of this respect or like of gratitude,
to bico can you and on the ort,
because body, when I dissually with him,
but this is simply the perspective that emerges from taking into account in the pervels.
And I'm also not claiming that what I'm presenting is to final tourists. It's simply,
this is how I see it and this is the evidence
on which I based and everybody,
shiny body who listens to this or reads this,
when I pract publish something,
this you take there on final conclusions,
based on what I
have thin presenting
And it is also not an anyway,
äh,
in negative assessments of the profond knowledge,
insight of these two eminent morgens,
in relation to the teachings that we find in the party
can and it's simply the fact is that when one has only one tradition to based once reasoning on the,
it is build it sometimes to lead in to a different direction than when one has there more comprehensive survey of source material that is possible by consumering the permanents.
So this much for an introduction,
now we get into the actual someone
Edang, San, Dange, dann Panier,
dann ja die langen Satten bis an den Kader,
Sambo, Bodybudding, ist Sango.
Dann hat ein Gayoviragon ihre Hornigbahnen. This is peaceful,
this is excellent, name the stilling of or preparations.
There really in pishement of all assets in this struction of craving,
detouchement, susation, extinction. Which the permission of the most
valuable great preceptor in the assembly of the vemble meditative months.
What's the end of the last someone, we happened to quote
a certain verse from the covanders with of the degenicaya.
The verse runsers follows. Vinyanan, Anidassinan,
Anandang, Sambatopapan
Et the abo Jepater vie, tecio, why on the enguardeting?
Et to digitantio, rasantio, and on two langs umhang,
et the namanji rupansche, assesum, operunjity.
Vinya nasson, i rode hene, et de dang operunjity.
Kommend, hier ist first the Translation by Morris Walsh.
There consciousness is signless, boundless all luminess.
That's where earth word defye and air signed no footing.
There boot law and short small and great fairenful,
there nehmen from a whole indestroyed
With the sessation of consciousness, this is all distroyed.
Now, there's silent is, not you lank and and
the PTS-Edition have a par hong instead of par hong.
The parlianish dictionary explains that par har has decense of being accessible.
And this also the common that it is not that all
in probably to take behang as from parjadi, parjahong,
meaning giving up in tiring.
In arrow to puttierte in Engry by Monyor Williams on
the Relitted Predator
Na, in Maurice Watches Translation, when you just quoted,
here for us packen, hung.
But pretty much all other transators instant follow pah hung.
This is the case for vice Davids. And also for
the two in Union Translation by Neumann 11 Franker.
Denn der Passage in question has been studied in detail by
Kerl Norman, in den Artikel, ernt Ichi,
based on examining the commentaria explanations by Buda Gosa,
comes to the conclusion that and early are version papst the earliers version of the epited head to from Sabbato
Not come are read all of this.
It's just for those of you want to follow it up.
And he things that in the power hong found in the
present PT as edition and signalis edition is not a remont
of what he's things is the earliest one but could simply be as cribble ever.
But so what comes up from what dive presented sofa is simply that,
der ist manchmal sobot,
that the translators and based on the commentary it seems,
there is quite and number of scholars who think power highs
Yes, more proble than Paphan. And this is also
what emerges from consuming that Palace, here, first,
I have the sons good fragment parlia, and the reading supports parhan.
Then there is the Timbetten parlia, it also supports parhan.
And it also has a reference to citization at the beginning
of the qual, which is a lot of puzzling,
but this interesting when we come to the chines parlias.
The channy's diago argument actually has Paphan,
it has luminocity.
How ever
It's has that invelation to this luminus conscious that it
is that sessation of that consciousness,
which springs about the sessation of the for elements.
So it has away by different sense from the party.
Even doit is the only version that actually follows to papagn
the sense of luminocity in set of pahang,
which would I then mean sometout of like spread out accessibility or giving up letting go.
Then we have a quote in them harvey pahasha a suter
quote and it also supports parhang
And then we have quotations internat nabberly in Timbetten and Chinese
and this also do not have the notion of Luminosity.
So what emerges from the pelle inversion as a summary,
the sense of Luminosity in Pubhang is probably new to a lated change.
A presumibly more all viginal reading of Pubhang are times understoods
to convey nuances of accessibility or of being spread out.
Could also be a rereference to the sesation of conciousness
Effektive Universion, die die Armin Chinesen,
die die Support der Sense der Luminosity, followst diese right-away,
mit der Referenz zu der Sensation von sucheren Luminos zu konsumieren,
die erste Kondition für die Situation der 4-Elemente ist.
Die Dibettenhäuser sind in der Referenz to susation in der Partemilien-Preceiving
der Lining-Question. End of course. The other day,
me could give only a general ID of the meaning of this verse in Brief,
because of the question of time,
today me proproposed to a attempted digital explanation of it,
to start with, oh
we purposed to avoid rennering the first to lines,
which your peer as the prax of
the holeverse
Taking those to lines as they are,
we could pay frace this first as follows.
It is in a consciousiness that is any justiner anong and sabbato papa,
that earth what the fire and air do not find a footing.
It is in this consciousiness that long and short,
find a course and placent and unplacent,
as well as nehmen form are captain check.
It is by the sessation of consciousiness that all these are
helding check. That is not try to short out the
meaning of the difficult words in the first to lines.
First of all in the expression vinianen anidasinern,
the is the turm an industinals
The meaning of the word in education is faily will norm
, it means illustration. Something that cross light on,
or makes clear is gold nidassonal. This is the basic sense.
Wir find an instance of the use of this world,
even in this basic sense, in the first cossolasute,
among the tennis of youngotaranicaria.
It is in connection with the description of Abi imhayatana,
basics of mastery,
where there is a reference to contemplation devices known
as Casina
It is said that eben the flex flower can be used
initially uses sign for cosina militation.
Flex flower is discribed in the falling worns.
Um mal Pupang nie lang Nille wandern, Nille,
die Tassen, die Nille, die Hasen.
Mit maybe randodas, the flex flower, blue,
blue hulled, manifesting blue, shining blue.
Nille didas, so lang suggests, that the flex flower,
is an illustration of blue color.
All that it is an manifestation of blue.
Any dass in a couple of because to referred to,
whatever does not manifest anything
In fact, we have a very good example,
in support of this suggested sense, in the Kakacup,
most of the money manicaya.
There we find the buddha putting as certain to question to
the monks, in all to bring out to similary.
Monks, supports a man, comes with Crimson,
Jumeric indigo or carmine, and sass,
I show draw pictures and make pictures a be on the sky.
What do you think monks,
could that man draw pictures and make pictures appear there,
then the monks with pline, I an heep band DAK,
suarubi aninassima, tatana, sukarang, rupan,
liquiton,
rupa,
part,
The Skyload ist in Materialien, non-erostrated. Es ist
nicht easy to draw picture their omake manifest pictures there.
Comment, Translation, Banjana, more. Supports a men came with crimson,
Jumeric, in Nico, or comma in and said,
I shall dope pictures and make pictures a beyond and this space.
What you think micus, could that man dope
pictures and make pictures a beyond empty space?
No one of us hurt. Why is that?
Because empty space is formers and non-Manifestative. It is not
easy to draw pictures there or make pictures appeal there.
And here, Translation of the Miam Agmar Peller
It is justice of a pain to our pain this are
prent is where to come a long caring various colors and say,
I would trace forms and images in empty space and are down in but this college pains.
What do you thinks? We that pain to all
that pain to supplend to be able,
by this main is to trace forms and images in empty space and a down them it college pains.
The months with played now blessed one. Why is that blessed
one empty space is normative invisible and will thought resistance?
There for that pain to all that pain this are
prent is is not able,
by this means to trece forms and images in empty space
and a down in but college pains
Then I was so wanted to get some addition information on an industrial.
Peter Harvey in his discussion of the Anidason Avignanes,
pointed outed this is one of the epitets of Nibani in the Assango that.
And I find it significant that this somey of the argama period
this nording clude, Anidasona in its list of epitets of Nibani.
End of kommt. Here we have the words in support
of the above suggested meaning.
The sky is that to be a rubi anidassumer,
he material and non-eurostrated
Steady's why one cannot drop pictures there or make pictures appear there.
There's nothing material in this sky to make my fest pictures.
Than is the sensing which is called Universal in this context.
Were this no see how miniful that word is when used
with reference to consciousness as minialen and innational.
Why this sky is said to be no manifestative,
we could easily understand by the Simily.
But how can consciousness become non manifestative.
First and formost we can we mind ourselves of the fact,
that our consciousness has in it the ability to reflect.
That ability is cold patcher weggenommen.
Looking back
Sometimes the Bude, es gibt eine Similare of the Mirror,
with reference to this ability. As for instance in the Ambalactica,
rahum, normale Suppe, auf der manche Manikarien.
In die Anandasuppe durfte Kann das. Also, he as used
this simony of the Mirror. In der Formasuppe preached the eventual rahuna,
the Buddha used this simony of the Mirror,
to stress the importance of reflection in a guard to body,
verbal end mental action.
In our last sermon, we give a similar of
a dog, crossing a plang over stream.
And looking at its on reflection in the Waterm.
That to was a kind of reflection
But from that, be can did use a certain principle
with we going to the question of reflection. Nämlich,
that the words stands for mold of becoming the lood it as
well as a mold of getting and rid of the delusion.
What create the delusion is the way that talk is repeatedly
looking down for miss on point of you on the plank,
to see a dog in the what us.
That is unverwised reflection one of non-radical attention, Ioni sue
in meiner Sicada. Under the influence of their personality view,
certain kylian did dee, it goes on looking at its
on image,
waying it's still
and growling
But riser reflection born of volical attention, in Unisomana Sikada,
is, what is recommended in amvalatica, rahul vades,
with it's thematic repetitive frace.
Pasticia vectan kit war Pasticia vecit va, reflecting again and engain.
Wise reflection incalcates, that hum up point of view.
Reflection based on right view, some my liebly leads to deliverance.
So this is the tween aspect of reflection.
But this we mentioned by the way
The point, we wish this stress is that consciences has in it,
then nature of reflecting something like a Mirror.
Norwin, yann't unanidassalon is a reference to the nature
of the released conscience of an other highs.
It does not reflect anything. To be more precise,
in does not reflect and namen a rupa und nehmen vor.
Ein ordinary individual season namen a Europa,
when you reflects, which you calls I and mile.
In this like the reflection of that dog, which see
is it's on the lose of reflection in the water.
And on other hunt to pongreflection, sees nehmen from,
which hore as a himmies takes to be
his self
With the notion of eye and mine,
here for us into delusion with we got it.
But the other hans consciousness is and unanistablished consciousness.
Me of already mentioned in imprevious summens about the established consciousness and the unistablished consciousness.
And on Adrahans consciousness is tablished on namen for.
Die Anister-Bish Consciousness is that which is free from name and for.
Anist onistablished on name and for. These stablished consciousness are
pon reflection reflects nehmen form on which it is established.
Where is the unistablish consciousness does not find and name
and form as
a reality
The allerhunt has no attachments or in tangaments in vegato name
in Form. In short it is a sword of penetration
of name in Form, without getting intendal in it.
This is how we have to unrever,
the maining of the expression any nassiner vinyana.
By way of further clarification of the sense of anydassiner,
we remind, we may remind or selves of the fact.
That manifestation require as something material. That is obvious even
from that similarly pick toubled random from the carcattupom masutta.
As for the consciousness of the other hunt,
the versing question makes it clear that earthwater find air,
no not find a footing mail
It is because of this for great primaries that one gets
the perception of form. There said to be the calls
and condition for the designation of the aggregate of form.
Chattenparo, corb, high not my heart, hold that,
he do, chattaro, maham, hold that parties,
look, packen kann, that's the panyapen are.
The foregrate primaries monk, other calls in condition for the daysignation of the fonds.
Now the other hunt has freed his mind from these for elements.
It is see this said in then that hard of
it behangles up. Patavin that, you think,
nächstes mind dispressioned with reguide to the earth elements.
About hard to your chit thang via radioty.
In makes this mind dispectioned between guy to the what element.
And see has freed this mind from the forelements through this
enchantment, which makes them fade way.
The other hans reflection does not ingender perception of form.
As the version question, put signal are rhetorically,
et that about your pakavi tätu vionaping gonders. Here in
Water and earth fired air find no footing.
Here the what god that the is particularly
is significant
When for instance, we want to plong, the tap of a deep well.
We lower something material, as a plong, into the well.
We it comes to stay, we take as those bottom.
In the consciousness of the other hunt,
the material elements can on find, such your footing.
They cannot manifest themselves in that unplomped depth of the other hans consciousness.
Benjananan, Aninas, sondern Anananan, Ananan,
dann Sambadopopa Bans, et ta a bottobatterie, tettio vionettengarda.de.
Consciousness, which is no manifestative, endless and lasters on all size,
it is here that what a earth filed air
no footing find
It is precisely becaused material elements, cannot make themselves manifesting it,
that disconsciousness is cold, non manifestative. In the same connection,
we mean and that such distinctions as long in short,
fine course, and pleasent in unpassend.
I not registered in that consciousness, because they put tain to things material.
When the consciousness is freed from the four elements,
it is also free from their relative distinctions,
which are about the standards of elements proper to
those elements
Netter Schnorrcons wieder die Implications of the Term Anandong, Endless Infinite.
We have all these sets something what the plumbing of the deptor what is.
Since the material elements have fated away in that consucence,
they are unable to plump its step.
They know longer service and index to that consucence,
they are for that consucences and this or infinite.
It is endless also in another sets,
with we got to such distinctions as long short,
we used the world relative.
This art relative concepts. We even we firt to them
as con your pairs of turns
In worldly usage, there are fun conjoined as long and short,
finance course, pleasant in Unpressing. Der is earn in
Dein Cottomy about this concepts, there's a by focation.
It is as if they apputed with in a rigged framework. When for instance,
migole searching for opeas of world for some purpose or other,
we may say, this peace of world is two longs,
why do we say so,
because we are need of a shot of one,
in set of thing that it is not a sophistic in issue,
we say this two long.
When we say this two short,
what we mean is that it is not sophist of
in long
So then long and short are eleven within within
one framework. As a matter effect,
all measurements are relative to some scale or other.
There are meaning foolbothing some framework of a scale.
In this sense two, the worldings way our thinking,
has a tendency to go to extremes.
It goes to one extreme or the other.
We he was send that the world for the most part,
west one and back cotomy. Such you step with we
in the two views is and is not.
This idea of a framework is already implicent.
The worldings way of thought end up in one extreme or
the otherbothing this framework
The other hunt transensit his consciousness is there for endless and under.
There's a verse in the partner, die Garmia vangue of
the Udano, mich culilili brings out this fact.
Morles Dr. Discours is in that section of the Udano,
the year with need by, and it
vana partisangierte. And the falling verse to is found in such a discourse.
Do don't dong nama, not his such a join suddass, no.
Party vident the hard, then hard and jan,
nato, pastator, natten the kindship and coming.
Translation by Ironland, the uneffected is heart to see.
The truth is not any
to see
Craving is benetratted by one who knows.
This no obstruction for one and see is. Bermi is,
the salon is in the salon is edition beat anatom.
And the paid, PTS vision weeks anatom.
So the reading anandom is only found as a variant,
but not in an in any of the fore editions.
And the chine is perlias, I have translated this here.
Difficult to see is the truth, which is
em moverble. Well, content blading and dissarning it one one
observe the distruction of craving, as it it's source.
This is making to be the end of tooker.
So the channy spell all so has no countabout to
Ananta,
And the calls ponning terms things figure other are nanja,
oper helps, it copy a miss onestraining of andata,
of the bent, becoming in mobable.
So I think is is less probably.
In some the main editions of the present passage,
and it's China's been doing not offer support for consulting
anonther endless to be an epited of niban.
End of comment. This worst like many other deep ones,
seems to have puzzle the commentators. Let it londa
meaning even the variant readings have post them a problem.
So much so that the end up giving the weeder
echoice,
between aligned interpretations
But the last try and to get that the general trend of its meaning.
Do that song anand dong namen. Hard to see is the endless.
Whatever that and this be. Nice at Chang Sudassonam.
The truth is not early seen. Which in effect
ist in empathic association of the seen my in deal.
One could easily gas that this endless is the two.
And that it we first to need by.
But even not than Harmons and that craving has been been
benetrated through. This penetration is to knowledge and whistom.
The outgo of which is stated in the last line.
Yalon to Passador nack and to Kinsion.
To one or knows and sees,
there is nothing
The ideas, that when craving is benefited through with Knight and Wisdom,
when we alize is the voidness of the world.
Obviously the reference here is to nivana.
Then tire verse me now be rended this follows.
Heart to see he's the endless. Not easily is
this to see the true. This through is graving and
not for him, who knows and sees.
The commentator, how everyse that a lot of determine with
the correct withing is an nunter.
Anathan, oh alanta, and leaves the question open.
Hick is one interpretation in favor
of the reading anathan
To joe is just your firability, he says that not da,
his a synonym for Trey Tannhaar or Craving. And that
anaton is a term for nibana, in the sense, there is
no craving it. It must be pointed are,
that it is natty and at matta,
that is use this is synonym for tannhaar. Anyway,
after adducing weasons for the acceptability of the reading Anadon,
he go ason to say that there's a variant reading Anadon
and gives an interpretation in support of it do.
In Frank the Interpretsal World Anandong in more than one sense.
Firstly, because need ban is permanent,
it has no end
And secretly it is an in this speakulative it is in measurable or uppomane.
In our interpretation of the board unon tank, we have
not taken it in the sense of permanents or ever lastingers.
The word up permanent or in measurable, can have various
nuances. But the one we have stressed is the transcendence
of relative concepts, limited by they dike connomous nature.
We have also all loaded to the unplumped dept of the addance consciousness.
Er möchte for elements do not Feinde for dingen. In
the bundawanga, auf der Damerbada, we come a cross
another verse
Which highlights the exter ordinary significance of the word on on down.
Yes, Charline is attica, than high nattentego hings in it a veh.
Tang but that manann to Gocci ram. Apparent,
thang that that that comment, translation by nonan.
Of one there's no to tätchen würden et or craving,
to lead im anywhere, him awaken to with end this track.
Leading no track by what track will you
lead in of comment
Before attempting a translation of this verse, some of
the worlds in it have to be coming to depon.
Yes, Jarlin, visatica. Jarlin, is this one,
it means one was a nett, or one to goes netting.
Vesaptica, we first on the agglune to native character of craving.
It keeps wording glute to objects of sense.
The worst maybe randot this follows. He who has no
craving with net with nets in agglutinates to lead in somewhere.
By what track, could that awakened one of infinite range
spielland, track tlas as he is
Because the bulldays of infinite range, he is trackless,
his part, can up it traced.
Grabing wheels the net, of nomin form,
with it's glou, when it goes ranging.
But finds to awakened one has the endless assis range,
there is not track to trace hinby.
The term Ananda Gouchel and means one who's range has no end
or limit. If for instance one chases a deal,
to catch it, one minds succeed,
at least at the end of the postsion.
But the buddhist range is endless and his
ranging leaves not track
Bekommen die das? Sine to interpret this turn as a
reference to the buddhist omnitions. Two is ability to a
tent to an infinite number of objects. But this is
not the sense in, which we interpreted time here.
The very effect that there is no object,
makes the buddhist range and loss and untraceable.
Hat there being an object, craving, could have netted
him in. In support of this interpretation,
we may a lood to the foreign couple of vs. in
die Aranta Bank outed, in der Hammerballer.
Jesang Sannicia Your Nantentee,
Yepariniator, empojina
Sunn ja da Anime Tocia, wie moggen kann Jesu, ein Gocci-Rom.
Aber sehr sekundär, in Gardine, in seinem Neujahr. Ja,
es saß aber in Berlin in China, Ahari,
his it on, sunnia to animitos, joa,
vimokka, yasu, in Gocci-Rom, AKC,
was sekunda, nein, badan, does not one.
Translation by care nomin, comment. Of home there's no accumulation,
we have knowledge of, and have we announced food,
who's realm is MTN Uncondition release. There going is hard
to follow, like that of burs in the sky
Hus as a distride. And who is not dependent abonn food,
with why mis emdian unknown disant release,
his track is hard to for all,
like that of birds in the sky, end of comment.
Balls vs. express more allast this seem I deal.
Let us examining the meaning of the first vs. The first
to lines are, yeah, Sanitia, you're notn't deal.
Yeah, Bardiniata, original. Those have no akkimulation and
who have complehen it their food.
The was used year are changed to with deep meanings.
Versus in the number but now, are very
often that which in Immanuel
Der Wunder heißt all many occations, präsentiert in der Mathrone Deep Similies and Metaphones.
If the matter focus sense of a termisic note,
one can easily miss the point. For instance,
the word senicia in this context, which we have reddit as accumulation,
is suggestive of the hieping up of the five uggets.
The word oper chair,
as something as used with refence to this process of liebing up,
then goals on in the minds of the world lings.
Now this heaving up as well as the accumulation of come on,
is not there in the case of a other and.
Außer they've comply hand at
their food
The compriencial food, does not means
simply the usual reflection on food in terms of elements.
Nur and does it implanchest one kind of food,
but all the fore new terms ments mention in the domma,
nehme ich Kabalinkada, Hade, Materifon, passe, konnte.
Mannus entschiedener Polician and Venviniana, consciouses. The next two lines,
tell us, what the true range or past of the add and is.
It is an echo of the idea of compriencial of food,
as well as the upsense of accumulation.
Sonia tor, animite deutscher, vimorko, Jesu,
in Gottschalk. Mosrange is delil deliverance of the boyd and
the cyliers
Wenn die Alahansa in der Attainment to the Food of Adant hole.
The minds turn to what's the boyd and the similes.
When there are on this feeling ground, night the mara
no craving can couch them within its, there are checkless,
hens the last two lines, AK, Seewasser, kommentar
and gaddy, this and duran real. Der Track is
hard to trace, like pad of burs in the sky.
The world gotty in this last line is interpreted by
the commentators as a reference to the were boss,
the adance after their paribana.
It is do be associations of some places
as indestination
Bei den Discontext, Kathi, das Notland itself to such an interpretation.
It only really we first to their mandal compass, which is untreasable.
Because of their deliverance to the void and the signals.
The next verse, also brings all the design year.
Yes, as I see our partikan china, aha,
the HJ Anissito. Hose influx is exting,
and who is oner test in regard to nuttiment,
sonja tour animite deutsche, limoco, yason,
Gojovo, with range is the void and the signals.
AK, see, was a gone that and padant,
tassa tournay
Ist Path is hard to trace, like Bad of them Birds in the Sky.
This reminsers of the last line of the verse quoted earlier,
up at on, keine Padine, nest it that.
By what track, could one leaning, who is trackless.
These two versus than throw more light on the meaning of
the expression and one to Gojera, of infinite range,
used doesn't epite for the weekend one.
Let is now get at the meaning of the Trump subbato Papan,
in the Kontext Vinianen, any last one,
and one thanks one,
but two power
In nowhere discussion of the significance of the Grammar and the Cinema,
we mentioned to that it is the datenness in the background,
which keeps the audience in chance.
In a way that they identified themselves with the characters and react equality.
The datenness in the background, throwsers bell up delusion.
Then is what makes for enjoyment. Of course,
there's some sort of light in the Cinema hole.
But that is very limited. Sometime it is only
a beam of light, directed on the screen.
In a previous some and we happened to mention that
even in the case of a martinishow,
that courtons and close doors and windows in sure than is
are in dark background
Here in this similary, we have a clue to the
meaning somebody papan. Luminis or lasters on our science.
Supports in madini show is going on and one is enjoying
it and chanced and the loot of bate.
Suddenly does and windows of lang open in the dark
Göttins are removed. Then in medied even slips out of
this cinema world. The film may going,
but because of the light coming from our science,
the limited illumination on the screen face away, before the Total illumination.
The film, der bei Losis its enjoyable quality
Es war es, Conscious Orviniane is concerned.
It is not something complete in different from whistempagner.
As it is defined in the Mahavin Dallasutter. However,
there's unsere difference between them. Panja Parvita Barvinian, Padinian.
Whistem is to be developed. Conscious, is to be comprehened
. Jedes that when has to comprehente nature of consciousness.
Comment in the chines and to be empires do not have this particular statement.
In the front. Then one may ask,
we are understanding everything with consciousness.
So haw can one understand contisms
But the Bunda, has shown as the way of doing it.
Wiston, when it is developed, enables one,
to completent consciousness. In short consciousness is as narrow,
as that beam of light, 40 on the cirmer screen.
That is to say in the specifically prepared consciousness or the
consciousness crimed up in him in form.
As in the case of the non-ada hand. It is as narrow,
as the perspective of the audience, glute to the screen.
The consciousness of the ordinary worlding is like wise limited and committed.
Now what happens, many this fully illuminated on our sites
with Wiston
It becomes subbato papam. Last frist on all sides.
In that laster, which comes from all sides.
The framework of ignorance face away. It is that released
consciousness. Free from the dark framework of ignorance,
that is core the consciousness, which is last rist on all side.
In that cryptic voice in question. This laster, associated with fristin,
has as a special significance are cording to the discourses.
In the Chaduccannibata of the Angoteranicaya, we come a cross
the volling, sagt er.
Ich habe das so in meinem picken KW papa.
Katamatia tassue, can
do that papa
Im Archor. Ich glaube, es ist eine gute Frage.
Es gibt Angst, dass es nicht möglich ist. Es gibt Angst,
dass es nicht möglich ist, dass es nicht möglich ist,
dass es nicht möglich ist, dass die Last der Suns,
die Last der Feier und die Last der Suns.
Dies ist morgens otherfore lasters. This morgens is the highest
one this for lasters, name the last of whistle.
Kommend, thanks that you may be convoli,
because there this forest splenders, what for,
the splender of the moon this splender of the sun,
the splender fire and this splender
of whistle
These other for splendless,
of this for splendless the splendle of whistlem is forced.
No perl is not to this discost to me and of comment.
And not important discourse, quoted quite often,
don't not always correctly interpretation is the following.
Papace rangue done, veccavicit done. Tanjo quo agant to
quo agant to quo agant to quo agant to quo agant.
This my as to tava torped to engine as
the chicked them harna,
nannten die Divadami
Pabasta dran gegangen, PKW-Chips, Tanja Koragan,
die sie mit ihrem Vater gemacht haben.
Tanja, da war Aria Savagorierter, Bruder und Patjana,
das Mars-Sutabator Aria Savagore, Chips am Hafen, Attentitibadami.
This mind morgens is luminus, by the this diffile by extrenious definance,
that the unestructed ordinary man, that's not understand as it is.
There for there's no mind development for the ordinary man idea clayer.
This mind morgens is luminus, by the this released
for extrenious definance
That the uninstructed noble discerble understands as it is.
There for this mind evelopment for the instructed
noble is sable I like claire. Kommit. Translation by
big or body. No minus pictures is this mind,
but it is defined by adventitious definance.
Die einen Strakted Worling does not understand is as it willly is.
There flys say that for the uninstructed Worling,
there is no development of the mind. No minus micures is this mind,
but it is freed from adventious definance.
Den Strakted Nobel Disciple understandsness as it really is.
There flys say that for the instructed noble decycle and there
is development
of the
Willkommen bei Caronaratner vom The Insta-Corpedia of Buddhism.
What is main by lasters and pure mind,
per Bastard is not a state of mind,
which is absolutely pure, not a pure mind,
which is synonymers, but emancipation.
Pure only in the sense and to the extent that it
is not is sterep to influence by externals, dimonym.
In the now count by she one yenne in a study on the pure
mind. The explanation is. Unnight the mahayana theory of the target of Garman,
which claims that in a pure mind process is
all the virtues of the buddha and that that the revelation
of this mind as day themen of the Buddha hold
Statements in den Partytexts. Only emphesized the knowledge of the
ineapurity of the mind as you pre-requisite step.
In the call division of the mind. And their bestoration of
the periody of the mind is not the end of religious practices.
As a matter of fact, after their removal of the definance,
the mind is not only pure, trying could in luminus,
but also some soft client and adaptivism.
It then, becomes as suitable,
for the distruction of all the assorts,
or the caldivation of the samilams of Wisdom in the light.
This means that the trying que luminus and playable mind is
just the basis,
for further revigious spectors
End of Come. He disophicianly clearland, that dialogen is
to the luminus mind. And the consciousness of the arrand,
which is no manifestated, infinite and all lasters.
To revert to the analogie of the cinema,
which at least in a limited sense,
helps ups to form in idea about it.
We have spoken a butthis stilling of all preparations.
9 the case of the film to,
this is stilling of preparations,
that is to stay in the preparations which go to make
it a movie film are still it
Demaltic colored presses of actors and actors is become colorness,
before their Illumination, even in the case of it thinking colorfirm.
The scenes on the screen, then blurb, before the light it's
soundly invelops then. And what is the outcome of it?
The preparations going on in the minds of the audience,
where the endused by the 5 produces
or rars from ithing, I can't down at the this temporarily.
This simplerizers in a limited dcense, in the significance of the frace,
sumbers and carles summater, this stilling of all preparations.
Then what about their reallynk wishment of all assets,
sub opened by the budding is Sangha
In der Kontext auf der Filmshow, it is the mond
of experiences, coming out of once invested interests,
in the marvel us, cinema world.
This assets are a link wish that least for the mond.
Destruction of crading, that happen you, is momentarally experienced
with we guy to the blurrd scenes on the screen.
Has to the jump your agon, we have all issue,
that it can be understood into sensors.
That is dispection as well as the facing away,
which springs about the dispection.
Neu in discuss to the feeding away or court,
not by any
other means
But by the very effect, the delimited narror beam of
consciousness scott super sedited by the unimineted light of wusstem.
Niuron H. means sociation and the firm us not seas,
wir firm, vour maschines a still active.
We have all the menschen that in the last analysis,
a firm us produced by the audience.
So it's sociation to is a metal for the audience.
This then is the cissation of the firm.
Now, come is nip in Barnum.
Extinction extinguisment
Whatever heated emotions and delirious excitements that the rose out of
the filmshow could down at least momentarily, when the Ellumination text all.
This way, we can form some idea somewhat influentially about
the mining significance of the jump somewhat to pop on.
But the help of this illustration best on a filmshow.
So now we have tackled most of the difficulties to the
interpretation of this in lose. In fact,
it is the few words or curring in the first to lines,
that is post and insoloble problem to schollersport eastern in western.
We are not yet given in their given commentarial interpretation.
And that not out of this respect for the minable commentaries
So this, because the interpretation is what the heasy and in conclusive.
Higher we show we presenting that interpretation at the end of this discussion.
So as to do the weed on opportunity to compared with hours.
But for the present, let us proceed to say something
about the last to lines as well.
Vinya nasson yerol dehena, et titan opportunity. As we
saw a buff for all practical persons, name for syndroces.
Even like the feeling away of the scenes on the cinema scream.
Then what is mean by this frace Vinya nasson yerol dehena,
particiation of concusses
The reference year is to that are the Sanka Taviniana,
or the specifically prepared contiusness. In this this sessation of
that concog to type of consciousness, we've was formally been,
like the one directed on the cinema screen by the oliens.
What is the sessation of that specifically prepared consciousness?
All constituence of namens from are said to be
held in Jack Opa, runjity. You're doing be have
a little problem. Generally, near runjity and Operunjity,
are we got it as synonyms.
The way these to vobs are used in some sutters,
what even suggest that they need to seem
As a metal fact. Yeven the Julia need this,
which is a very world commitary, powerfraces,
upportugies to buy a new judgity.
Oper doing to the Neurunjudgity. Nevertheless. In the Kontext of this particular verse,
there seems to be something deep involved in the distinction mit,
when these two vobs. Ebene the clans,
the two lines in question as suggestive of some distinction between them.
Come. I understand why even even you aneinander,
based only having the pallibration at his disposition,
distinctions between two types of Indiana here and or so listing
vision speakpint in producity,
in your good to
But RSI short in the early point of the lection,
based on the perleversions, it seems very clear that the reading pump
hung is not an original linie. And when we let go of Parband,
the worst becomes a little bit clear and the contest doesn't
become as strong as it seems to be with the reading pump hung,
the Luminasity.
And yeah, I'm aby suncatta vigniana is not a
turn to that I'm used to from the supers.
So I'm not your hoffer, it helps to bring in
such in idea. And a cording to operugity and
new rugity
I have shown here in the whole
verse is based on lines with 8 cillibles.
And so because Operujity has 5 cillibles in your logity has for cillibles,
there as a very straight forward reason for choosing the one time or the other.
Nämlich somebly to make up the line of itselbles in a point.
And I had contacted picu on an itjody who is
specialist on porn and palimädchen to get his opinion on this
point and his comment as
The comedy doesn't seen to have any down. Operudio titude nirgends
it, came argum as eason either napapa vata dede.
Of course, new rigity is passive and it buddy dease active.
So that's a slide change of dong. But it does
seen to me at this probably just amate of meeting this slogan requirements.
End of comment. Vinya nassan yerode hena,
et de dong operunioty. De new rodolph consciousness is said
to result in the uperud of votever constitutes nehmen form.
This is intreaming now. But that is not all
By way of prepareing the background for the discussion,
we have olding made a we've olusion to the circumstizes,
in which the buddha other this vose.
What provided the context for its advents? Was a riddle
that our quarted with certain monk in a moment of fancy.
The riddle was where do the this foregrate primary seas all together?
There the votes is nurunjan team. So in all to
find where the seas. You mimsically when from having
to haven in from Brahmawald,
doing Brahmawald
Has we mentioned early at too, it most mind a
mahabrahman directed more to the buddha saying. Why on earth,
you can more this way when the buddhist day to ask.
That the buddha we word into question. You point it
out of that the question was incorrectly what it,
and revised it as follows, before beenturing to aswer it.
Cata, about your pathologie, tade your violent and gardety. Cata,
digantia, rassantial, and on two lands to past up,
catta, namens your rupansion, rassant, opportunity.
The world used by the buddha in this wevised version is
opportunity,
and not niruncation
Dass sie nicht in der Innovation sind,
ist die Use of the Term not guardianty.
Word awater fine air find no fooding. Or where
do they not get is taslished? In short, years
a word suggestive of plumping the depth of a reservoir.
We me had back to the cinea given earlier,
consuming the plumping of the consumers with the perception of from.
Where do the forelements not find a fooding? All so,
where are such a relative distinctions, as lines short,
supply in cross, pleasing in unpleason,
as well as the name from completely held in Jack
In this restatement of the widdle, the wood a has
purposely avoided the use of the work Neurunjity. Instead heard,
we cause to such state terms is naggarded it,
now not funded futting, not not plan,
and operunjity is Herling Check, oys cutter.
This is evidence enough to enfurt that this is sattle this things.
Und ich bin ja nur eins,
als Assouls heard with the Tour verbs in Neurunjity and operunjity.
What is the secret behind this paculiar usic? The problem
that occurred to this mong is actually of the type that
the materialists of today conceiver,
it is in itself affiliaty
To say that the four elements sees somewhere in the world
oder in the universe is a contradiction in terms.
Why? Because the very question word with the seas
pre-supprocess and as a in terms of those elones,
by way of defining that place.
This is the kind of uncult question and orderary materially
includ person would as. That is why the buddha we formulated the question saying,
mons that is not a way to but the question.
You should not ask wear, love one great primary seas,
but what are they as well as the concepts of long in short,
suggling cross,
present in anblassen and name in form,
a helling check
The question proper is not, but the foreign great plan receive season.
But where they do not get established? And where
all they are cop-minimense are hell in check. Hier,
then we see the wood a relating a concept of metter,
which the wood takes for planted,
to the perception of form orizing in the mind. The forgreat premieries
hand in the mind of the mind of the mind of the worldings like Ghosts.
Doll they have to be exorcercised from their minds.
It is not a question of expelling them from this world
or from any haven'ty welm, or the intire world system.
That exorcercising should tech place in this very consciousers.
So as to but in end to this
Before the light of whiston, those costs, then the
forgreed primaries become ineffective. It is in the darkness of ignorance,
that is costs on the worldings, with the perception of form.
They keep the minds of the worldings and bound,
gloot, committed and to limited.
What happens now is that despecifically prepared consciousness,
which cost bound, gloot, committed and limited?
Become as fully released. News to the light of whiston,
to become no money of a stative endless and last
dress on our sites.
To some up email rando
diversing questiones follows
Consciousness, which is non-monifestative endless lastressonal sides. Hier it
is that earthan watter, feiert er nur fudding feind.
Hier this deblong and short, finding cores, blasing and
on present. Entnehmen form, a cartoff bedout exciption.
Ben consciousness has a cerseased, viser herd in Jack Herin.
Da, wie Venture to translate deverse,
we have not yet given the commentary interpretation effect.
Thens this might sing a short coming, Michael now present
what the commentary that has to say on this most.
Venual but not hose, before coming to this most in
this coming to to the covanna suite
Give the explanation as to why the buddha,
we formulierted the oviginal question of that monk.
Or conny to him the question,
where do the 4 great primary seas, implight,
both the organic and the inoganic aspects of metter.
And in revising it the buddha limited its cope to the organic.
In other worlds. Benjamin Buddha, ein großer Pressions,
that the wevised version has to be interpretiert with reference to this human body.
And see explains, such a worlds as long and short,
ukrain in the verse, in a limited sense as refrain to the body's stack you.
How fascal is interpretation to answer to be one
can easily sure as we go on
Wenn du ein Bodan gehst, ja,
ein Keep song we minding in the weader,
that the questions our relevant only to be organic velen.
Open ding then jeweils and they are put to do.
So interprets the jump and deep huntshire or as sonshire long and show,
as velative distinctions over persons hype, that is town as enscholles.
Similarly the world's on on tool on, sattlenk us,
as het do minus neun big in the size of the body.
Like wise, super in Assuon, I take and to we've
felt to the comly and the ugly in terms of body's experience, appearance.
The explanation given into the frace namanchio, rupanshire,
is the most of this stowning of all
Namen, es sollte ein Name der Person sein.
Ein Grouper ist es Formership. All das kostet Show,
nicht der Kommentar, der Gone of the Tension,
even in der Interpretation von this vose.
Which is more less the prologue to such an into kids
inverse as the one in question. Hier ist Blonde,
dass die very outsetting limiting the scope opers,
relative terms to the organic.
There were obscuring the meaning of that deep verse.
The significance of this velative terms from the minguistic point of view has been overlooked.
What's like, liegan rasson and anonym toolant,
don't it we fird to this touch a
ensize of some person
What do come that is in Dicotomus, nature of concepts in the world?
All those deep implications obscured by the reference drop persons outward appearance.
The confusion becomes was confounded, when now monty rootpunches,
interpret investor name and the shaper for passion.
So the stage is allly said for a shallow interpretation,
even be for presenting the worst beginning with in your anidassonal.
It is on such an unsund premised,
the commentator basis is interpretation of the version question.
We should try to do just see to that exposition too.
It might necessitate to fame and equitations,
do it is difficult to be comprehensive
in this respect
Der Kommentator beginnt, this exposition with the world being younge itself.
He can't so always a pecular year at the emoji. Vinyanna di,
tata tavinya tabal di, vinyanna di banas nanaman,
which means that the world being younger or consciousness,
is in this context as synonym for nimbar,
in the sensor did this to be now, vinyata month.
This forced at the emology is far from convinces,
since such a usuage is not a tested elsewhere. No,
we come a cross a long list of epitets forny ban,
is, wenn yes, to depree,
in the assancca to song you to off this sony tanny carry,
but vinyan is not counter this for
In fact no way in der diskurs.
Es ist vinyanai used as as sinnonem for nibana.
Next you text of the world an industrial that next iforning cont.
That detern in nassen namen, Harvard o Aninas ole.
That nibanas call on in in nassen micors not listration for
it coopinguine. The in years steady does not thing to compare with.
Then comes to work the explanation of the world an under.
I'm cording to the commentator in nibana is gold
ananda. And this, because it has nother the arrising
in Orpada Anto,
non the Variante
On the our otherwise ness of the possisting in.
Gibt das Anjagd da? Strange Lena, eben der last
menschen middle end, is conted as MN. So,
strangy enough, eben the last menschen middle state is counted
as an end, in the kommentiertes concept of pre-ends.
So this is the substance of this commentary to the first three,
world's been yannan and idas on on on tank.
The commentary interpretation of the term, somebody papan is even more confusing.
The word papan is explained as as in one for papan
meaning form. The parliament in the world, explains,
is a result of consonanted eater change with the original papan papan.
Pacada Sapana pacado
The Idea is, that the original form of this
particular form, tja, von Nibana is Sabbato Papan.
The mining attributituit is with falls on all science.
In Ibana supports to be mit Africally consived as the Ocean.
To get down into which there are falls on all science.
Nämlich, the 308 topics of meditation. This interpretation sims
motherfare fetzt. Edis as as if the commentator has resort.
Du wisst sie noch nicht auf dem Phone,
because it's orbit indeep orders.
The what pom how as it is glittlem in slider vadience
and this association with mystem is also valet tester in
the can
Comment, I early a mentioned the article by K. Are
nomen the bibliographic references IT-End of the electure script and K.
Are nomen instead takes the commentary are explanation to be fact
of fact that the actually revening that they new of was not yet with the world power.
End of comment. Now in his commentary to the Digganica.
And then we're bunter goes and vances the about interpretation,
in his comment to the monty money.
He seems to have head second talks on the problem.
In the blood money money that that the monty money carry
or so on the first to lines of the worst being yanning,
an international and one thanks that to
the bank
But here the commentator follows in different line of interpretation,
where as in his commentare to the gewalting that,
he explains, an indational, as in epited of nihbana,
in the sense of here, nothing, to compare.
Yeah, he takes it in the sense of not being
visible to the eyes. Chakuvinia, as a a part
and anoban, Gammanator, Anidasinam nama. Ediscord Anidasinam,
because it dust not come with in the venge of eye conjusiness.
In explaining the tumpen subbato pabon, he suggest,
several alternative intubutations. In the first interpretation he dex,
pampa,
mean light or laster
To paban, to sabbato pambas and panda.
And i bana to hi dammo suppa, batero,
jo di van to over, bat his hundert,
over, panda, ta over, natti.
Sabba to papbannings, more lastrist in anything else, for there's nothing more lastrist
or lumins, or peure or white in any mine.
In this interpretation nibanas even regardiators something white in color.
The attimology of the terms sabbato babang has been given a
twist for the word, subbato is taken in the comparative
sense.
More lastrist an anything
As we have point it out the term action,
you means last trust on all science.
Then is second interpretations given, being the word pabue,
lord or chi. Sabbatova pabue, that is to say,
more prominent and adding else. In supported bit his as
a sugar disaian namen immanen, nannte Dina vatentanban.
It should not is that in such in such a direction.
Nimana is not to be found. Is say,
that the discord pabue or lord, because it is to
be founding all directions. Only as the third interpretation,
he sites this summony of found,
all the given in this commentary to be,
you want person
What is the reason, forgiving so many
figurative interpretations is alternative to such a significant words?
Sure in the building, what not neve intended diverse to
converse so many conflict in miniens, when you preached it.
Nur da und der Kommentatorselve made a great Airphone to
Beserve Ventamer. But you to someone fortunate historical circumstances,
most of the deep discourse,
is in dealing more this help to do nibana,
have been hand it down,
bedauert eben eine clou into the correct versional mongbergion meetings.
This is laugh the commentators non plust
So much so, that they had to give us several make and alternative
interpretations to choose for. It's up to us to designed,
where there we should accept this position as it is,
or try to improve on it,
by exploring any other possible means of explanation.
Me are location to mention in our very efforts,
sondern that the buddha himself has prophecient,
that those discourses, which deal with voidness,
would in tante come coin to this use,
with an deeper meanings obscured.
The interpretations just quoted,
quote show that already the prediction has come to
do recreating stand
The frace we qualted from the brough money montanica suptem,
with this reference do, I need as in a vinyana.
Or course in the context, which has a significance of its own.
The relevant paragraph, there for deserve summatension, advances follow.
In yanning on in interest on on on thank same but
to bam on than patarina, patavid däna no bootham.
Apas, apa däna no bootham. The just it chaptaina
on no bootham, vayas, vayattina, no no
no mootham, mootham, boothat däna, no,
votham, de vanan, de vattina,
no bootham
Bei dir, bei dir, bei Japatitäne, Ananopol,
danken Brachmanen, brach man denen nur eine Wunde.
Am Vasteranen und Vasterdatäne und dann wohnt da ein Superkind,
Hahnen, Superkind, Tänen und Bruder.
Wie hat Balane, wie hat Balane, wo dann abbewusst,
Amibuttäne und eine Wohnung, so basiert der Batainer in einer Wohnung.
Die Konsumenten, die sich mögen, nothing manifest infinite on vasters.
Es ist nicht partig, für die Örtin ist auch er.
Der Walterin ist auf Watton, der Feind ist auf Feier,
der Arenas of Air.
Der creature out of creatures than dever hold of devers,
the Budjapati out of Budjapati,
the Brachmahod of Ghana
The Radians of the Vedian ones, there super
kind of hood of the Super King and Brachmarks.
They we happened one of the Herper der Brachmarks,
the Oberloadship of the Ola, and the Orness of the Ola.
Comment, Translation van Jana Moni.
Consciousness, no manifestating, boundless, lungeness all bound.
That is not particular of by the earthness of earth.
Then is no particular of by the waterness of water, et cetera.
That is not parting of by the allness of all.
Jana Moli, in other publication comments on this discours,
mecotec, sabbat to babhand, do we made of subbato
in contracted from of the present particle of Pahoti,
Papamadi,
This types of with the preceiving subbat Orbinia is subbat.
Whatever, the sense than are you quite is suppress negative.
I subbat to be hong. Than it is are impact,
a easy mistaking for its other inscinuiers. In the simonies
and this is my one comment, in the salus,
peter is and simies edition in the part of preceeds,
the reference to the Yanning on industriment and the subbat Tokio one,
is book and by done.
And it doesn't end with the quite of itty,
no nice to quite of itty occare at the end of
the present statement.
Sprictly speaking it would
have to be attributed
to brahma
Horn-Infekt, von Slater-Passage-Asphalt, something that is poking by the Brachmark.
Only the Bermus-Edition, proceds this reference would idea.
But it does not heaven idea as the end,
to provide a transition to Brahmas claim, that hiban now in dissible.
So what I messigly saying is that in the party editions and the no manifestative,
consciousness is somethings poking by Brahma,
and it's ohne in the Berman evision,
that we have an indication, before the possage,
that we this poking by someone as but not at the end of the possage,
which would be requireen, because after that Brahma continues to speak.
And if we look at to power in the minium aregama,
it's defen is
spoking by Mama
Ambody proclaims is, because I'm conscious of imageural worlds,
have imageural knowledge, imageural vision, imageural discrimination,
and now each in everything distinctly.
This earth, I not to be earth,
what a fire wind etc. So in the miniamer Agamma-Passet,
uses counterputs to on nunter we peterly,
but it his know counterput to anidassiner, or to be bad.
And this is open two possibilities,
I think these to qualifications were lost in the miliamer Agamma,
or they were edit in the maniammanicai,
which good have been influenced by the cover to
In Manjamar Argumentant Continuous, mit der Buddhas Reply,
which is Brahma, if there's a benancer on Namen,
we're got to has a perception of art,
has ear this me, at this mind. I belong to ear,
then, since it make on our this so,
in those not truing, our,
in the same way for Waterfire etc.
Demplication appears to be in that imrammas claim to infinite consciousness and infinite noise,
still comes with the nonch of the surf,
and for this reason is not true knowledge.
The same sense good also be apply to the Pi version,
on falling the three editions, which do want have ity,
I'm the forever are than the percess in question.
There are a convaging the impression,
that it chippy up to do to the same speaker,
name it
to grummer
Eine Studie in der Sense. Brauchen wir nicht claim to
have an Anidassonaminianer? Das ist so lustig,
weil das nicht ein paar Tage auf der Earthness ist,
etc. of the various things listed.
These had just before been mentioned by the Buddha, as something had direct noijob.
Yeah, did not tech any stands, evolvation to arth etc.
In reply, rama modell take up this point, by saying. Satico de Marises,
somebody not not model, maheber de Ritter gang ever,
hose, tutti, gang ever, hose,
if you do a part take of the ornas of on,
may not be vaccuse and MTV you
This what tempressional lead over to numbers claim,
regarding what indeed does not particle of the oddness etc. always, nehme die Annina Salminiano.
In your to proof the super your eyed office claim.
Brahma would next quite to vannage from the buddhis vision.
On this alternative reading of the passage,
essence clear supported by the Chinese, the top of consciousness discribed,
would depart of the claim by brahma,
and therefore could not be lighted to nibana,
country to the what the commentary steakers.
Some decree of influence by our relationship between brations of the
brahmanimantanic as you can endeque want to support the endeque want
to suggested to our browser from the cai-vardi sutter,
the songs good power to the cai-wander sutter
Which has to reading, put to be,
put to but ten anom, we vote time,
which we minds more on the patter via,
patter video in the anderen book than in the brachmann you and then as it may,
in the discussion of the pastage from the queer wander suptem,
we come back, my are you as that,
do to the qualifize annanta in Pabas,
and in does not
video is discribed in the way,
that besonders this scription of surfens, nets of surmali.
It seems that annanta is never used but minder conscious
as a partner discribing states of surmali.
And never seems to be used to discribe their normal
consciousness of the other and for example,
and of comment
This Peculia Palgraph, listening 30 concepts, seems to go
main something deep, about the nature of the non-Manifestative consciousness.
That consciousnes does no partic of the erdinners of way,
the Walterin is of what in the finals of by in the airliness of air.
That is to say, the nature of the for
elements does not in here in this consciousness,
they do are manifest themselves in it.
Similarly in the anal concepts, like Leberhood, Brahmahood etc.,
which do worlding stecks seriesly as weird, have no uply
cability overligity hear. The special significance of this association,
licing the context in which the wunderly claired it
It is to deep bell our wrong view and then but got about my conceive,
in the regarding is brough my status is permanent,
every lasting anyturnal.
Denn the bunde made is decordation before that brauch man himself in the number world.
The hot point of the discourse then is to challenge the bong
you of Brachmann. By assurting that the number manifestative consciouses of
the ada hand. These above the worldly concepts of elements and
divinity and the question of a reality attributed to them.
In other voice, the door manifest themselves and heat
there transide.
Er sei menschend oder in der Introduktion der Salienten.
Und zentral point of the lectures um die Anidas Sonavinian und die Normanifestative
consciousness. In based on my consultation of the powers,
I have a for a few points,
that I would like to make as a starting point for fire discussion.
First is that Anidas Sonas in epited offene Bahnen in the Asangha,
the Samuda is not fun in the chines pearly.
It could result from a late expension of the partielists
op epifits for the bahnen
Notherpoint ist nicht die Anidasna, Vinyanni in der Brachnummer und Danika Sutter,
ab hier ist der Beaclaime made by the Brachma, in that case,
could not be a reference to be banner or level of the issation.
This is definitely intercase in the chines powerman.
Another point is that the qualification of the Anidasna,
Vinyanni in the quevander, so this lungenes, the bang,
is less probably and original beating as evident from as service
of paralels and quartations in lated texts.
In fact it conscience in that this nor manifestative in the sense of nor vision or seeing,
in that's not manifesting, does not fit naturally,
with the presence of luminosity,
at least as long as this is something visible
and not just internet material
Gianching from the elecurrence of the Uni-Dassonal
to illustrierte immerterial nature of space. And example,
for state of consciousness that good be qualified as Uni-Dassons ineinander.
It would even be for example the attamined of bound of space.
The semathemen would also fit the notion of sambatobahang,
which good my fire to living behind or perceptions of form
and of diversity. In line with what is tipulated in
the standard discription of the themen of bound of space.
Sagen wir es Europas, Sanianan, Samadikaman, Padiga Sanian,
Adangama, Sanianan, Alanto, Castle, die AKs,
und dann schaue ich, wie sie arbeiten.
Das ist, was ich meine, die Experience,
die die Forelements findt, nur Fooding.
Aber das würde nicht wahren, in welchen Namen von Season.
As always fuggested by because Brach Marley, diverse in the Pi-Wander-Sutter,
could be understone, as providing to answers to to questions.
First question, where do the forelements not cat of fooding,
second question, wordle nennen from Season.
A problem is than the punny formulation with this recurrent atta,
we is a bit awkward with this interpretation.
And it would be one nature to read it as
a single answer
This is the case for the direct argument power.
The onniversion to we 40 minosity.
Here this precisely the sessation of the luminus consciousness,
that results in this sessation of the 4 elements.
And I'm now to justin, the qualification pabasfura,
Elsura in the early discourses,
seems to we fire to experiences of concentration to upsiness of the himmanses.
Not necessarily in volking inside all over its of a wakening.
I've sure waiting this in my inside, all over its of a wakening.
The same horns for the aller qualifications of einander endless.
The succondition of inner luminocity kopierte intro for example
the late casina, which would also be an endless experience
And the last coming, whatever maybe the final word,
on exact implications of the intoductory line vinyana and industrial and
and thanks about the hong, other men.
A main input of the clevernder suttle seems to be,
that the mongos miss taken in searching in the heavens
for location by the for element sees.
The Budakei fight that the inquiry, should mother be where
the for elements do not find a footing.
And by do always the concept, usually apply to matter,
language, should it's at racise.
This text place when with the sessation of consciousness nehmen from
The Journey of the Monk through havenly welms, presumually,
representative of meditative calibation, leading up to deconcentration,
did not lead him to be file and go.
The would a cly five that this requires the experience of
precisiation aspect of dependent rises.
In particular, the sessation of consciousness and nehmend for.
Yes, and he has just a bibliographical
information for all the different academics i quoted exapt for the
startup-sess of the party discourses
So thank you very much for your tension and the curious
to see what the points that have come up but this
song and my comments with ways in terms of the discussion
on the form