Welcome to you learning goes on the niban assurance by vicco categorona yeareinander.
And online course, hosted by the nummer the center for
buddy studies at the University of Hamburg, in Collaboration mit
the Barris and the for buddy studies and most assusets.
And today me would take up the
first someone one
And in this elections, usually the first part is open
for me to take up comments, suggesttions and points,
that have been made on the online discussion forum by the Participans.
And since, this is the first someone, they has
not yet been such in discussion, in their form,
I don't, I used this first space,
to bleefly introduce this,
someones and was so to place
myself in relation
to mem
Schauen wir mal, wenn du mal nie aneinander warst,
invited to give these Sermons bei Venom Yana Rama,
der Meditation-Teacher at Nissan Amania in Metrika Lanka.
Es ist eine Monastry in der steckt forest tradition.
Und neben Practicing intensive meditation or gotting to the hussy method.
Wenn ein Yana Rama head slightly entjested to mass in method
by using the nostral area for breath the wayness institute of
the rison fall of the eptimum
In line with a general like a monster lank once for that way
of practicing awareness with the brand. And in that context,
in that monstry,
strong go is that all those who joint that place at that time,
at made strong determination, that they would not leave in the
monstry until that least they have a change stream andry.
So on this setting of the is stecked forest to this
intensive meditation practice, and outstanding meditation master to guide the practice,
he invited, wenn wir ineinander Give talks on the Barnem.
Er ist nominiert aneinander, wo er singt, surfen,
er kombitionierte, but world's so her been in akademic.
Und so he was hible to approach that topic from my
combining those to aspects. Theory impractice me may say.
And these summons were recorded in single.
In Berlin your non-where speaks every in sophisticated single is.
So a someoffice, also some of those relater
listen to these recordings founded elittle difficult to follow him.
Specially those who have been broad up with English as their
first language. In so their ast him if you
good translate
And when he had translated, first someone,
the one that we are going to be looking at today,
he gave tapes to close friends, one of these tapes,
reached Gold wie in Samadha rettent,
very well known and love it meditation teacher in Shree Langown
and he give it to me.
And when I listen to this talking inners,
how was they three and I've been nom immitally the next day,
I went to visitment money aneinander,
he was living in a cave in the cagual area that time.
And I just say panto Skepe, Translating,
and I do all the rest,
means that I was going to transcribe these sermons.
And also because he he has this incredible memory and that
he just quotes party passages, yes, to systemizing,
Fingertipps, but there was still that has to find the references.
And so for all this,
what do be a 30 3 sermons,
I had the honor and merid to transcribe them,
and to look at the emreference in
the PTS Editions
Informieren, das war ein harter Lord of Impact,
oder mein understanding, auf der Dame. Ich hatte Earlya,
been learning from Biko Body,
hier hat Given holt diese talks on much emanikae diskurses,
und die Happyn recordet as tapes and where available at the BPS,
and would his publication society,
or basically I listen to all of his talks,
there were routes of them.
Und from time to time,
I would go to visit him at for as hemittage
and ask questions
And that later very solid foundation for my understanding of themer.
And then I did basically the same bit film in your and ananda,
but with these nibaners sermans, and I did not
just listen to them by transcribe them and about those regularly
go to visitem in his cave and ask questions related to
this sermans or other aspects. And so disto eminent morgens
have basically late my the foundation for my understanding of volysm.
And when we could body is very well known in
the west through has Translations of Manji Manicaya,
so nutany caya, a good to do it,
and now he's coming out with the Translation of sutany
partner in commentary. But when I mean you and one,
is less well now. And so because of the benefit,
I see in studing this sermans and also a out of
the wish to make his approach and teaching three more widerly
known in the West.
There is
this idea of presenting them in online course
And what I'm be doing is and just go through this sellings,
redought me the mouth and offers some commons are times.
I sometimes skif alternative translations, you she does by Bikoboli.
The course is mented for the general public.
So there were not be discussion of party, party,
grammar and for all those who are not family with party.
I think it is just nice for them to just your
second translation than this can sometimes make it easy to understand
the possage
Ja, und Champagnes, I give my one ideas or comments.
And I would just like to be very clear from the outsaid that this
are not attallment to be the final world on the matter.
It is just ment as this is who I understand what
he says and I just make be ron.
It's just another perspective and hopefully starting point for further discussion.
And in terms of translation and terminology, I have my own preferences.
And I just wanted to mentioned than out the outside so usually Ne Barne.
Entluca. Ishatoo turns that I personally before to leave them untranslated.
I feel there just to rich in connotations to a lot for single English turn.
But if I we are hard pressed, I think Nebana,
I would probably opt for going out or cooling down of a fire.
Instead of extinction. And doker, I would usually opt
for uncities factory
I think souffering for an duca as Gentlemen Charakter stick of
phänomenalist, crown to be missleading. And nive beda,
I also would preferred this enginement over this cast.
Any hold this are just my personal preferences.
So with these few introducture remarks settled now I started going to
the sunning. And it opens with the traditional expression of
homage to the buddel. And then this this Motto,
that the venible has jose on for the series of sermons.
He don't say thang, you dank by need on.
Yeah, didn't say, my son car, the samatour,
sabu, bradie, partin is, sagen Gordon.
Thank your viragon, your honey banan. This is peaceful,
this is excellent. Nämlich the stilling of what preparations,
there relinguishment, the for us its.
The distruction of craving, deteachment, sociation,
With the permission of the most venumberg great percepto,
and the assembly of the venible minitedive monks.
Reasonally, we have had an location to listen
to a series of sermans on need banner.
And there have been differences so for being in a regarding the
interpretation of some deep products on niban in the summons.
And so the venible great precepts suggests to me.
And that you will be useful to this group.
If I would give us said of sermans on need banner,
touching on those countropertial points
Ein First for many reasons, I heasy tated,
to accept this invitation for a serious tosk.
But then, as a vanna burn a great precept,
repeatedly in coached me on this, I give some thought,
as to hobbys that good said about doing it.
And you do court to me,
then it would be be best differgood address those sermons,
directly to the task before us in this nissarena vanna.
And then is militär differentention. Rather than dealing mythos deep
, controversion subthising academic
And that is why, I have selected the above quitation
as the threem for the intire, sept of summons.
Hopeing that it would create the correct atmosphäre of meditative attention.
Yeah, I don't panited on.
Yeah, it don't submith an car, a mature.
Samboupa, the hebadding is that, you're gone.
This is peaceful, this is excellent. Namly,
the stilling of four preparations. There relinguish men to four
assits. The distruction of craving, detouchment to thousation,
This is in fact,
is a meditation subject in itself, a commatana.
This is the reflection on the peace of nipana.
Obviously, comment? Yeah, I like to off a
myone alternative conclation is just how I how it speaks to me.
This is peaceful, this is supplying. Nimm me the
coming of all constructions. The letting go for
a supports. The exting wishing of creating dispection,
So eine Stände to refleur to the coming of all constructions.
Yeah, I'm the term here is Sang Carren,
Sang Carren, can have range of nuances.
But I on the ständig particular to we firt to this
mental conditioning or reactivity by ways of definance.
So the very tendency to react with definance to a particular
Experience is intern, what reenforces that conditioning to
react in future, in similar ways.
And so it's the coming of all these mental constructions.
As one of the episodes hoffning blanner. Then the letting go of all supports,
but the party is thangha in heal,
I find did help for to turn to another discourse that in Guilemana and the Sutter in Angud René Gayer.
And it has a series of different perceptions.
And one is the perceptions of not the lighting in the world
Und hier ist, wenn man ein bisschen Bodies translations of what this requires.
One is the perception of non-delight in the world.
Here because we friends from any engagement and cleaning mental standpoints
at herrences in underlying tendencies innering out to the world.
Abundanting them without cleaning to them. I find this of useful
gloss. On what it means to let cooper supports.
It means to let go of one mental supports
of all views and ideas and opinions to which we cling
and which in a way build up or sense of
Textinguishing of craving, I think, is clear dispecsion also.
In the seam, German and the Sudden, Dispression,
Institution, I discribed in newly identical turns.
Therefore I take the position here from dispecsion to susation to have similar implications.
Despecial is particularly on passion sociation than our understanding
be the citization of definement, Skilesa,
Andy Barner, I would also understand long the same productory of extinguishing of brading,
despecition of definements, any Barner of definanced.
Going out, cooling down, or exting machine of definance.
End of common dye continue to ween.
So if we can successfully make use of this sport the
heading and the team of these summons,
we would be in a position to understand or six qualities of the done month.
We are tour than than
hummy swacken kater
Die das World Proclaim, sondern die Diga,
can be seen here and now. Akaliker, dann müsste,
hepasiker, inviting one, to coming see. Openaika,
leading one on words, putton chattentang vedita morgen you he.
Get it come be understood, by the wise,
each one, by himself.
The said of sermons would have full filled its purpose,
if it wives home, the choose significance of the six
qualities of
the dama
Not the very outsaid, I would like to say,
if your things, but way of we paring the background.
And I do hope that this assembly would be with me.
For seeings we're an things, that I will be compelled
to saying this concern. By way of background,
something has to be and as to why there are so
many complications with we going to the meaning of some more the deep,
so to us on mittend one.
There's a popular belief, that the commentaries of a finally
tracible to a mission any of the buddha world sketted
here and there's backing the codas and are.
But the true state of affair, seeings to be run
a different
Oft in the Kommentarisier unable to say something conclusive,
regarding the meaning of deep suppose.
So this simply gives on possible interpretations. And the reen of
finds im surfa the lost to to choose to correct one.
Sometimes the commentaries go at tension and miss, the correct interpretation.
Why the commentaries are silent on some deeps to,
das is also a problem to more and their schools?
There's some historical ries and is leading to this state
of affears in the commentaries
In den Arnien, sodass die Indana-Vague in der Samyotennikalie ist.
Wir finden, dass wir eine certain-prophetische Adverance haben.
Wir gingen in die Dange, dass wir in der Saison
in der Fuktion sind. Es ist,
als in den times to come mons belows interest,
in den deepen subtilen, mit methodischen Transcendenten.
Dass sie nicht listen to those subtiles,
das have to do with the ID of empty in a soon yetown.
Sie wollten nicht den grievenworth-by learning or pondering or with the
meaning of those subtiles. Jedes to that that the target emphasis,
that that that that that,
that that that that
This open your moneys and I'm so success and in a so thank on the hiss and in any,
tütendank, obertar, besser an die, na,
den Damme, ukga, hetappenbank, Paria, abonnierte,
bank my men yes and the,
there so another his talk a reason that can be anused.
And I didn't got deeply root to that a certain stage in the saison a history,
that what is contained in the suttle bitary,
is simply the conventional teaching.
In so it came to emply that there's nothing so deep in the suttles.
This notice now so head it's share interpresent like of interest
in the suttles
I cording to manua tapurany, then we to commentary,
or really I don't early stage in this saison,
I history of Free Lanca and the happy and debate.
Between those who upheld to precept and those was tood for realization.
And indesend that those who are peter precept one the day.
The final conclusion wars that for the continuity of the saison
and precept it selfies enough, not so much the realization.
Comment. The has been some gritis is on
that this passage in manura tapurany, there's
not million we for to precept, but where the
two learning
And I'm just giving here and extract in Panikpalierten,
die ja hier Andalhita, ja Patibatti, Andalhiantin,
Paria de Taya, Patibattitatin, as a basic and year that,
when learning dissappears, practice will also a dissappear,
but is long as the learning, is mintained stable,
then the practice will also stay.
And I think,
we need to understand this from the V-Point of all transmission
that was at that time still the more for passing on discourses,
net a cording to tradition Wolfsburg,
about the buddha in his disciples
Taskov Memorizings who does and then keep on rehörsing then obviously
takes a quite some time. And then the question is
what does one do with ones time does one engage in intensive minitation.
On does one vader using to memorize those suttos.
And it is this decision that had to be taken at that time.
And the decision then wahrs that in emphasis should be on
memintaining alive in the tradition of the teachings.
So that then others can use them For the practice.
And this is also why we benefit today,
if they had decided not to give emphasis to the practice all out,
we would not have the party,
so this not to have discourse and inspiring or practice.
But I think, when you one on they still right,
in using the term precept,
because I assoom that he's meaning to point to a general development,
that comes to a fogo point year in this more other purany passage.
But which has roots for the back in history and
has a constitual impact on present day tätowal tradition.
And this is precisely the strong emphicies on maintaining the precepts.
And as an interesting passage to interesting three interesting passages from the canon,
that our which is like to briefly touch on two of this pessages are from the maha parinet minus hutter.
And so one of these give the references here
Is the Buddhas permission, that whatever miner rules,
they can be abolished once years past away.
But it are early our point in the same discuss,
the Buddha teachers principles against decline. In well of these sprincibles
is that monastics should not abolish, what they as been promogated.
And there should goes on our promogate something you.
And so the freaktion between this to statements.
Lee comes up at what this their first sanguity,
then Community Recitation is the Transation every firm not council.
At reported in der Wiener,
because the Aschembled monastics unable to come to an engreement,
what exactly are those mind of words.
And this is a what the major issue and the account
of the first and get you reports that eventually markers,
super users that seem frace,
that we find in my part in die Banners support about
not abolishing one has been promogated to for the decision
that nothing
will be avolished
I have study this and on the online for loom you
willve the able to download the article compilative study of the first sunguide in office impact
on Terravator monastic identity. And I think is just helpfull
to understand the historical background for this strong emphesis particular in the force tradition
of Terravator bodysm on up roleding the precept and giving particular
emphesis to that.
End of comment
Of course, the efforts of the recycler morgens of old
for the predovation of the precept in the mids of crowds
and femines and other columnitors situations are certainly place wording.
But then fortune thing about it was this,
the basket of the butter word came to be past
one from hand to hand in the dark.
So much so that there was the risk of some
valible things, slipping out in the process.
Also there are been certain semantic developments in the commentario period.
And this were be opvious to any one searching for the
general number
It seems that there had been a tendency in the commentary period,
to eloborate even on some lucy lords in the subtors.
Simply as a commentary requirement. And this that to the
inclusion of many complicated eine ears.
Bei too much overdrowing in the commentaries, the liberal meaning software,
da haben wir mein Gott, ob scured.
As a met of fact. The debt of the damal
has to be seen through lucididy.
Just to smart just one see is the bottom of a
tank only in the what are is relucid
Twena Markin. Namanchi, Rupanchi. What is the do?
Nehmen for. This is the second that of the ten questions,
but it put to the venomers, Samon year as so parker.
Where did tend our answer partage of Sam? It is like
asking a child, can you count up to them?
Hol the ten questions great deep. The ten to being
on arrangib. But of course, men of all so
parker gave it by the Hansa each time.
Now it is the second question and it's an.
So that we are concerned with here namens year role pansion.
In thank, this is a basic deaching in insight training
Komment? Ja, erfahren die Helpfull to look at the
context of this question eyes of the menroe so park as
show this all together 10 such exchanges it's actually are cuttig
hears and my think a basic cuttig hears on aspects of buddhist doctorin hold
being subsesdone nutry mentis one that three feelings to foundable two,
five uggets of cleaning, 6 in a sense fairs,
7 awakening factors,
noble 8 full part,
the 9 abouts of beings and the 10 factors
often arrance
And I think this is somewhat similared to the principle at alls underlized,
the Ungute Renicaria, many of the discourses in the,
and it's parallely occotrica, allama, that in oral setting,
if you have like an numbert listed,
it's very easy to memorize.
And as you can see, I mean,
several of these are doct trinal, but one and 9,
I don't know how to call that maybe we let it to nature,
we could say,
it's just a basic run down of central topics,
that one
has to
And the venomer supporter evidently head, memorized it correctly.
And I wanted to are that personally, I was at
first out of the puzzle by the taking up of this cutty hism.
And eventually I understoodent this is just my,
my take on it. I think member in your einander,
once to build a bridge in minutely to the meditation
practice of those mongs and who on the venomber Indiana Ramat to hung here,
before is the venomber create preceptor, are practicing the ended monistry.
And now if we keep en mind,
their practicing according to the mahassim method,
then for the mahasim that very important point are the so cult insight knowledges.
And the first one of them is now in Europa Partikan
Jeder. The delimitation clear understanding offen nehmen form.
So I think what are been able in yananda is doing here is just big up
this Statement on namen form by a child to to connect that to the initial Inside Knowledge that sets the basis,
the foundation, for the remaining of the inside Knowledge that,
according to the my hassy tradition,
and was other terrabatter bepassed editions that operate with the system,
is like, what one has to experiences that one goes through,
leading up to one's atainment of stream entry.
Not honep is and fix, but a basic pattern of experiences,
inside experiences and the basic one,
the foundation of one is really to have this distinction between name
and form And I think it is to bread jover to that that benemen younger stations of with the topic of namen for.
And using the example of a child, the bringing out,
the profunded you of what and first mayopear very simple.
And I to later point you also speaks of slowing down,
being like a child, slowing down is on other characteristic of the my housey tradition,
anybody who are seeing people practicing this tradition,
they will have knowless they do this very,
very slow, hawking meditation,
lifting up of foot very slowly and putting it down very
slowly being away of every single aspect in this process of
just moving one foot
Jetzt war unser Kind to wichtig of
the Insta-Training in the Mahasitodition to come back to this very
close detailed attention to very simple matters, like walking or
doing on the things. And almost child like,
it it uou to really wanting to expert,
what most of us thing to eye, we we know this,
not think to really look at it.
And I believe it is in all it to bring out
that aspect that informed first topic taken up in
this serman end of comment
It is almost that now men's name. And in a sutuation,
so our name, when used by itself means name,
how have when we come to the commentaries, we find some kind
of hesitation to recognize this ombus meaning. Even in the
present context, the commentary partner map to duty care,
explains to work name, so as do mean bending.
In sense that all in material you state to a could name,
my in the sense that they bend to was their respective objects.
And also, because the mind has to nature of inclination.
Ramona, bimuk, can, nominator, chitten tasuage,
that the head to do sabba bambi arobang namen,
Und das ist das Standard-Definition-Aufnahmen, auch wieder mal Companions and Commentaries.
Wie ID of Banding to Walts and Object is
budding to explain the world namen. It maybe in
the the thought it too simple and interpretation,
to explain namen with reference to name.
Particularly, because it is a term that has to do with deep insight.
Oever as fast to teaching and subtize are concerned,
namens Still has a great debt,
even many this understood in the sense of name
Na, Mann, Samenbang, Harvey, Namen,
Bio, Navi, Muti, Namen, Samen,
Samenbang, Namen ist concreted, everything.
There's nothing created a name. All have gone on
the sway of this one thing cold name, comment.
I just wanted to offer an alternative transnation by become body.
Namens way down everything. Nothing is more existensive the name.
Name is the one thing that has all on that's control
And I was stack by the,
somewhere different translation of Anmer Barby in the Firstline, as concrete,
a way down, and so just start of curiosity,
I went to check up to channes perlor in some you can Argama.
Und hier ist der komplette Chinese of that burns and that
chinese channes of that burns, to the Firstline,
means to surpast, so name has surpast the whole world,
and name is suppear in the wall world.
So in the Chinese, the First and the second line
are saying pretty much in the same thing
Hand of Comment. All so, there's another verse of the same type,
but unfortunately it's our eginal meaning is often ignoriert,
by the present they commentators.
Okay, is an innoced that there,
I can care yas ming, but it did a attentain young,
aber im Jahr, yogam I end in much you.
Being that conscious of what cominent, there established unternehmer will.
Bei not comprehending the namible things,
they come under the yog of there.
Comment, I just of like to our for the
translation by bicobolie of the same
Being super see what can be express. Become is stablished
on what can be express? Not fully understanding what can
be express, they come on of the yog of death.
End of comment. All this shows that the world name has
a deep significants, even many distaken in the sense of name.
But now let you see what are there are something wrong,
in rendering namen by name in the sense of the German namen Europa,
in the case of the German namen Europa.
To begin with Letterstone to the definition of namen Europa,
as given by the Venom Assari Butter, in the Samma,
the Düsseldorf,
the Manicaria
Vederner, Sania tierte in der Passomana Cicardon.
I don't watch it down with your down. Chaptain that,
it is that one time, but that,
it is that one that.
It is that one that, it is that one that.
Vederner, perception, intention, contact, attention.
This fell this cold name. The foundgrade primaries and form
dependent on the forward primaries this friend
discord form. So this is name and this is form
this friend this gold name von Comment.
In Mayon
Listening to this first someone for the first time,
this persons was particularly important and the explanation development lives later on.
For me together, clear understanding of the significants of namen early bodysm.
And I if I we member correctly to was one coming
across this passage and the subsequent discussion that I disaid,
I must do, whatever,
I can to help make this material,
more widely evailable by pudding my service,
at the service of
hand my
Undüsterning of namens befördern, to all for immaterial aggregates,
is pervasive not only in the commentario period,
but even in Chinese algamals,
in the case of the someone ditings what there's some other argument,
the matten powerwitch, a review,
the mindamer algamal and here ungiving the frace,
defined name by way of the fore immaterial arguments.
This is a problem,
because it would include contiusness
And particularly inview of the receive program conditioning with wen conscious
and name in Form, a topic,
we will take up in a late of sermon.
This would make consciousness self-conditioning. Doesn't work, I think
. Das ist der definition given here in der Palli-Version.
Doesn't not include consciousness. Basically name as all doors aspects
that process, what we experience. But it's not the
knowing itself. And I was lucky to find,
that in the ecotrica
We have similar definition of name as in the party tradition.
Name me me me name as in volving all these mental activities content without consciousness.
And I'm giving here the references for anyone, who wants
do look that up to my competive study of the monji money
cary, which will also be available on the discussion forum.
Hände kommt. Well, these seems lucide enough as a definition,
where there as in injustification for regarding feeling,
perception intention,
conntact endetention as name
So go ist Desertal Chire, the Toddle,
who is still unnable to speak or understand language?
Someone gives in the rotherball and the Child has seen
for the first time. If the Child is tour,
that it is a rotherball, he might not understand it.
How that you get to know that object?
Is mels it feels it and tries to eat it.
In finally role sit on the floor.
At last the understands, there did this a plaything
Now the childges, ecognize to rubberball,
not by the name that the world is given it.
But by those factors included under name in namen Europa.
Nämlich feeling perception, intention, contact and attention.
This showns that the definition of namen in namen Europa,
texaspect to the most fundamental notion of name,
to something like its prototype.
The world gives a name touren object for purposes of easy communication.
When it gets the sension of others,
it becomes to convention
Why are commenting on the worst yours quoted?
The Komponente also brings in a bright idea.
As an illustration of the sweeping power of name,
he points out that, if anythree,
happens to have no name attached week by the world,
it would at least be no name as that name lestream.
No as for the child, even such a usual switch is not possible.
So it gets to known object by the office said,
method. And the factors involved there are the
most elementary,
constituence of name
Now, it is this elementary name in form world,
that ammilitative also has to understand.
However much, he maybe conversant with the conventional world.
But if a meditate or once to understand this name from world,
yes, to come back to the state of child.
At least from one point of view. Of course,
in this case the equanimities should be a company
by Knowledge and now by ignorance.
And that is why emmany data makes use of mindfulness in followereness,
that is emportania.
In this autempt
to understand name in Form
Im Noiseable to recognized Objects by their conventional names.
For the purpose of complienting name in Form,
and many need a mix use of those factors that are included on the name.
Feeling perception, intention, contact and detention.
All these have a specific value to each individual,
can that is why and the number has to be understood
each one by imself, put that dong vedita poor.
This time has to be realized by one self.
One has one is tend one song world of name in
Form by one self.
No one has can durchfor he
Now can it be defined or the noted by technical downs?
Now it is in this world of name in form that
suffering is front. I quining to the buddha,
suffering is not out there in the conventional world of worldly philosophics.
It is to be found in this very name from world.
So the Ultimate Aymer for meditator iss to cut of
the craving in this name in front.
Er is a decept at chicitan magie, the name a rupe.
Now if we are to bring in a similary to craving
for this point, the buddhis core to incomparable searching,
so lecture a not beruhig
Oh, so is sometimes call than hals allas sahan tarn,
one or removes the down of craving.
So the buddy is the incomparable searching,
puls out of the boys and typed error of craving.
We maser for say, be may say therefore,
that not cording two that namer, in Europa nehmen form,
is like the world, in which the error is imbedded.
When one is wohned by, poison tiped error,
the bend is his to be,
but not on the archer, on is boastring,
but on the wonded self.
First of all, the won't has to be will located
in clean up
Similarling in the comprimation of namen from is the preliminaries that
in the treatment of the won't cast by the poison tipped
error of craving. And it is for that purpose,
that are medited has to based special attention,
to those basic components of name.
Feeling perception in tension content and the tension. Heuber my
she may be professioned in words, founding worldly usage.
It my ebened a BNS a process of on learning down
to child like simplicity.
But of course, the equanimity employeed there is not based
on equance but on
We find ourselves in a similar situation
with regard to the significance of rube in namen Europa.
Here to, we have something deep.
But maybe tech now my rupa to me mind and metter.
Like materialists, they think there's a contrast between mind and metter.
But according to the domma, there's no such, registriction.
It is a peer, that it is interrelated,
and taken together it forms and important link in the chain of partictures and more pada.
Comment. I think this is a that important point that
the mind metaduality this not apply to our the buddhism
End of Command. Rupa Exist sind vielleicht to name.
And that is to say, that form is non with the help of main.
As besore about that children got a first hand,
knowledge of the Rubberball, with the help of contact feeling,
deception, intention and detention.
9. Definition of formers chattentary, Jamaham, hotan,
in Chaton, nan Jamabu, da in Europa in Europa.
The forgreate primaries are mentioned because they constitute the most primary
notion of form
Justice, much as feeling, perception, intention,
contact and attention, present, represent,
the most primary notion of name, conventionally so call it.
Ebenso the form great primaries from the basis for the primary
notion of form, as the world understands it.
In this not an easy metter to rerecognize these primaries.
There evasiflying ghosts. But out of the interplay me,
get deperception of form, roopers and nuan.
In fact, what is scrolled prooper,
in this context is actually Rupa Sanya.
In this with reffems to the behavy of the forgrade elements,
that the world will see up its concept
of form
It's perception, makrognation and designational form.
Is in terms of that behavior? And that behavior can
be now with the help of those members prepresenting name.
The earth element is vegognized to the polities of harness and souffness.
The word element to the qualities of core heasiveness and the solution.
The firement to hotness and coolness and the wind element
remotion and inflation. In this way one that's
a quain that with the nature of the foregrate primaries.
Enterpret ception of form from Europa, Sania,
that one has at the backoff once mind,
is that net be sult of that equaintence
So, das ist nach Europa. This is once world.
The relation shipped in Rupa, in Rupa, Sania,
wo beclear from the full inverse. Yattenturn, namans europäischer Assassin,
partigan, Rupa, Sania, it is agine to do.
This is a full us found in the that tasue
to of the some youth in Italien.
In that's so that we find in daity putting a widdle,
before the buddha for solution. And to jep ta,
pain jep ta, jep ta, and that it ta,
tan, tan, tan,
go tham a buddjami,
coiman,
video tayer in jottau
There's a tangle with thing and a tangle with out.
The world is entangled with the tangle.
About that door go to my, I'm ask you.
We can dissentangle this tangle. The wood are answers,
the widdle in tree versus. The first of which is
fairly will known because it happens to be the opening
verse of the dissual in the marina.
These ineper it talian rosa-panion chittentang-panion job, paway.
Atabi, nibacobben, hippenkug. So emang video taye
in jodan
This means that a vice monk, establishing, virtue,
developing concentration, whistoning adding and prudent,
is able to disn't engle, listengle.
Now, this is the second purse. Yes,
I'm rargued in those rutschen, I've been judged, viratita,
thina is a viratita, thina is a vida ditanged that.
In human last head than ignorance have faited a way.
Those influx three alarhands, we dis in them that the
tangles, this in tangle. It is the third verse,
that is relevant to out a big.
Yatta, naman chirurgurban, in der Operation,
in der die Partygang Europas, in der jüngsten Entscheidung.
Wir nehmen von einem Resistanten in der Perception von complete cartoff.
Es ist nicht die Tangle, es ist snaped. Kommentare,
ich schaue auf die Translation bei Picco Body of this last worse.
Wer nahmen from seasons, stop scoot out remainder,
and ours impinagement and perception of form.
It is year this tangle is cut.
End of comment. The reference years to nebana,
it is there like the tangle is
this intangle
The coupling of name in form is partiga in the Gruppe,
Sonja in this context is significant.
Hier, partiga this not mean repacknance, but we systems.
It is the resistance, which come not says a reaction to in earth matter.
For instance, when one, nox again,
something in Parsyum, one time spect to regulize it.
Sense reaction is something like that.
The wouldn't say that the worlding is blind, then to
lot least that number your rises in him.
So the blind worlding repacknizes in Object by the very resistance,
he experiences in knocking,
against that object
In Europa sind ja Formen Bär. Patrika ist that experience
of resistance, which comes by the knocking against them object.
And Rupa Sania epperception of hone is the resulting recognition of that object.
The perception is and terms of what is hard soft,
hot occult. Out of such perceptions,
coming to the blind worldings erises, the conventional reality,
in the basis of which is the world.
Knowledge and on the standing, very often associated with ways
and concepts. So much so that if or knows to
name of the thing,
on is
the post on
Because of this miss conception, the world is in Athengal.
Names and concepts, particulary announce, perpaid way the ignorance in the world.
There for insight is the only part of release.
And that is viamilited a practically comes down to the level of a child.
In order to understand name in form. Himmel,
even have to pretend to be a patient, in slowing down is movements,
for the sake of developing mind for a cent for awareness.
So we see that there's something really deep in Namaroban,
even if
we we enight as name in front
There's an implicit connection with name as convention is okkord.
But I'm fortunated this connection is ignore in the commentarism,
when you bring in the ID of Bending, to explain the world name.
So we need not heasitate to when then namen Europa beinehmen from.
Simplace it mayapean, it course deep but in the workly concepts of
nehmen from. Now if we are to some rise,
all what we have said in this connection,
we may say, name in name in Front,
is a formerly, it is an apparent name.
Forming name in Front is a nominal form,
it is a form on in name
We have to make a similar coming on the meaning of
the word neven banan. You are two one can see some
my usual semantic developments in the commentarial period. Feel is
very common these days to explain the automology of the word
neven banan with the help of a frace like vanes on carda,
yet on high need contaptar.
And then is to say that nebana is so croll because
you don't exit from craving, which is a form of weeving.
To take the element vanah in the word to mean a
form of a weeving. Is this good is taking namen
in nama rupa
some kind of bending
It you said that craving is a kind of weaving,
in the sense that it connects up one form of existence, but another.
And the prefice need is said to signified the exit from that weaving.
But now way in the subtost to be get this sort
of etimology and interpretation, on the other hand,
it is obvious, that the subtost use,
the word need one in the sense of exting wishing,
or extingtion.
In fact, this is the sense that bring salt that
true assence of the damma.
For instance, the ratana sutter, which is so oft
entscheidender is operita
Says that the Aaron's go out like a lam.
Nippon band in the heard are young parties.
Those wise ones get exting wish even like the slam.
Coming? Hier ist transfersion the Fortcoming Translation by Big Body
of this bours. The old is discrimed, there is
no new origination, there minds and dispession toward future existence.
And seeds distroyed with no desire for growth those wild ones,
I exting wish like this slams. I on personally as
a mentioned that the old side prefore,
and going out or becoming coal instate of exting wishing
a extinction
I mean, after all, the lamp is still leer,
is just that the flame is gonna out and the lamp is becoming cool.
So I would find it more night sloose you the lamp is gonna out.
Now then to say that it is extrem gut.
But this is just my my personal take on it and of comment.
The similar for lamp, getting extinguished is also found in
that hard to be hungers to of the money menigayer.
Sometimes it is the figure of a touch going not,
panyod as you were neben Barnan,
we more cold cheat to so aho.
The mind's released was like the exting missing of a touch
The Simily of the Extinction of a Fine is very offenbared
in Nessan Illustration of Nibanon. And the Unglievator God is
not the money career. We find the buddha presenting it
as a sustain simily, giving it the deeper philosophical dimension.
Now in a fire burns, it does to with the
helber firewell. But in a fire is burning,
if someone where to ask as, what is burning,
what show is say as a reply?
Is it the world, they's burning?
What a fire, that is burning? The truth of
the matter is that the world burns because of the fire
and the fire burns because of the world
So it's seems we allly have your case of relatedness of
this tool that eat a party at that.
This is self-shows that there's a very deep significants in the fire similar.
Nimana is a term for the ultimate eam of this stumm,
is equally significant, because of it's alusion to than going out of a fire.
In yasanca that the sung you do are of the Samyutta Nicaria.
Is men yas that eat three terms, our listed to the northis ultimate eam.
But out of all this epifets, nebanamic came,
the most vibly used. Probably because hope it significant alusion
to the fire
The fire similary holds the answer to many questions,
relating to the eignet goal. The onering are setting watch
a god done as well as many others.
A cused the buddha of teaching a doctrine of annihilation.
Sadou, Satas unten childrang, wie nahe sang, wie havang paniabeti.
The accusation most that the buddha programs, the unilation,
distruction and known existence of a being that is existent.
And the buddha answer than fairly in squarely with the
fire similary
Now, if a five is burning in
front of your dependent on grass and twixes fuel.
You would know that it is burning dependently and not independently.
That there is no five in the abstract. I'm in the
fire good saw that with the exortion of that fuel.
You would know that it has going on,
because the conditions for its existence are no more.
Comment, yeah, the fire similary has been much this gast.
And two points, so I being made, sometimes,
one is that particular for us in a mustern country,
the I deal of Going out of fire is less easily
seen a something positive then for somebody whole lives in the
hot climate of the area of in year with a buddha
was living. Many right now here, we are just coming out of Winter.
So for me fire has this connotation of pleasant wormf.
And not necessarily condition of a pressiveness of heat,
that it would have to somebody who is in in
your dring the hot season for example.
And then this is a point to be captain mind can
also be seen for example from a humans of the term
nebenbahn in the Margandia Sutter
Yeah, Mangandia, assess to the Buddha, this is Nibana,
I'm healthy my body's well, the Buddha of course,
says that this is missandes standing of Nibana.
But the IDA is he's saying, look my body is not,
I don't have feel, by body, my body is cool
and in healthy and so this is Nibana, this brings out one
aspect of the basic meaning of Nibana as on,
going out or cooling don't of fire. Another point,
sometimes made is that their certain connotations that go with the
going out of fire and here,
I have to persages
from Upanicans
To look at. And in should just be clear that
we in the implication is not deven these openiciats in this form,
where all we in existence at the buddhist time,
but the suggesttion is often, that some such and year,
would have been at the background of the engine in Indien audience,
when the IDO of an extinguision or going out of firecomes up.
One is from the sweet tage vater opanisate,
it has at the form of fire, when laten it source,
is not
Yet, it see this not destroyed, but maybe see's again.
Anygain, it's sourced by means of the drill. And the mythrough punishered,
it's has eon as fine with our fewer becomes extinct his on place.
Even so that by the sociation of tipity becomes extinct in
its on songs. So the basic and there,
here is that fire, when it course out,
it's not just complete in discified,
but it we words to some sword of unmanifest state from
which sheet can be then made to burn up again,
when ever the up up
it conditions
And my personal take is that this as well as the Awareness
of the oppressive connotation that heat would a fading engine in year,
useful to keep in mind, when we are operating with this,
I dear motive of the this extinction or going out of fire,
but I also feel that the should not be taking too far.
I do not think it is possible as sometimes this being
a ledged that the fire similar actually points to some sort of Denn Daddy Carries,
that the fire similarly and it's early bullets usage carries,
the connotations, that we find in this ponisharing passages.
I think that would be going to little bit two file.
And of comment. Has a side light to the depth
of this argument. It maybe mentioned than the party but
Upadana, used in search contexts.
Has the sense of both fuel, as well as cross being.
And ineffect fuel is something that the fire grasps, for it's murning.
Opadana pinting than you have how we depend on German grasping is existence.
These are to very important links in the doctoren of the
penel arizing, particular,
some of
the penel
The Eternalists, overcoming, overcom by the craving for existence,
started that they is some permanent essence in existence as a reality.
But would have the buddha to say about existence,
he said that what is through for the five,
through for existence as well,
that is to say that existence is dipened on grasping.
So long is there is grasping, there is an existence.
As we someone more, the fireward is got uparadana,
because it catches fire.
The fire catches whole of the wood and the wood catches
wholed of the fire and so we call it firewood.
This is a case of relation of this to that,
he don't putting to get that
Now, this to same with what discald existence,
which is not an absolute reality. Even in the vadic period,
there was in dilemma, between being and non being.
They one that with a being come out of non being,
or non being give out of being. Carton,
assat that, said, and yeah, yeah.
All good being come out of non being.
In the face of this dilemma, veganing the first beginnings.
They was sometimes forced to conclude that there was schneider non
being, no being and that this start.
And assad does it, no sadasite, Tantanin
Oels in the confusion, they would something sleeve the matt
unsuln of thing that perpson in the create and new about it.
Holt this chance what a lot of confusion this two,
it's said, then I said,
being a non-being head created for the philosophics.
It was only in the bundo home presended a perfect solution,
after complete real praisel of the hood problem of existence.
He point it own in that existence is a fine,
cape up by the fewal of grasping.
So much so that when grasping seases existence
seases as well
Infact to fire similary holds the answer to the tech tralemma,
included among the 10 unexplained points,
very often fund mentioned in the suttles.
It concerns the state of the tech target after that,
with the exists, that's not exists,
both or 9. The prosumption of the questioner is that one
not the under of this for must be and could be answer in the affirmative.
The Buddha Solves or thissouls, this pressunties did did tralemma
by bringing in the fire similary
He points also that when a firego,
so one of it the exossition of the fuel.
It is absurd, to asking which direction, the fire
has gone. All that one can say about it,
is that the fire has gone not.
Nippen moductive are some can got to time.
It comes to be recon doesn't gone not.
It is just a reconing and idea on a wordly usage,
which is not to be take and too literally.
But this illustration to the fire some need rives home to
the world linked absurdity of this prosumptions ticture limit of
the ticture
In der Opersive, so auf der Parai in der Wange,
auf der Subtonipada, wir finden die Lines.
Attentierte der WG in der Kittentour, Attentang,
Palet in der OP, die sagen kann,
like the flame throne out by the force of the wind,
which is its and it cannot be record.
Here the recording is to be understood in terms of the four
propositions of the tectual emon. Such recordings are based on
a total miss conception of the phänomen of fire comment.
Yeah, I would just like to share,
because bodies, transcelation and continue all so with the next
to versus as a find there in Potento
Full flavor of this bessage. As a flame, throne,
by a gust of wind, over sever said, the message one.
Course out, and cannot be dasing natured.
So the money, liberated from the mental body,
goes out, and cannot be the designated.
But does one who has connot,
not exist, our else is he helted for eternative.
Explained this metaclilito me omony, for this dauma has been
understood by you. There's no massure of one with connot,
oper sever, same the blessed one.
There's no means by which they might speak of in
No phänomenal have been a bruted all parthways of speech have also been a bruted.
Yeah, for my person on the standing,
this is particular significant statement, that basically,
the nibana is in some way beyond the weach of language.
End of command. It seems that the deeper connotations of
the what need bana in the context of particular semopart,
the one out fully appreciated by the commentators.
And that is why the went in search of a
new at emology
To shy of the implications of the word extinction.
Probably to avoid the change of Neilism, they felt compared to reinterpret, certain key
pressages on nibaner. They conciven nibaners something existing authorny thong right.
They would not see where. But sometimes they would even say,
that it is everywhere. Within un you gramm matical emphysics,
they would say, that it is on coming to that nebenbei,
that last and other defineds are bundant.
Nee, Bahnen, nagama, rarargada, your clean nati,
eKME, nippenbahnen oder agapenkayo, du sacken, Kayo,
mohaken,
Kayo,
you wouldn't chitty
But what do we find in the joyers atternces
of the terer enteries, would we are listening bahnen?
As recorded in a such text that terer and teligata,
they would see the buttos, we neeben motto,
I'm long cool, exting which that's I yeah.
The way zehnt imhota, entnibben mutter,
her de Cooling-Effect, even to the listener.
The laters, scholos foundum in adäquate. Extinction is something
that our course, but in a individual and it brings
would did a unique blist of appeasement.
As there rather now, so up this as
lot of palm
or how nebenmudding bunnymana
The experienced the bliss of a peace mind one free of charge.
Normally appeasment is one at a cost.
But you have an appeasment at comes gratis.
From the worldly point of you extinction is on nihilation.
It is connotations of a pressible that is much dread it.
That is why the commentators consived of it are something out there.
On reaching which the definements are abendant.
Need bahning are gama ragama ragama your your kinnati.
Somethings, they would say that it is on seeing ebound
that craving is discrolled comment.
This last statement has been miss and this done
Der actually in der Next Sermon, second summon,
wenn man nicht takes up Passage vom Radden Asuta,
sondern auch die Regierung der Revensionen, die sich helfen,
sodass so eine Sampadei und dass ich mit der Vision von Stream-Entry,
es ist, dass der 3 fette ist, all destroyed.
Also, es ist sehr clear, dass es eine actual experience of Nibaner ist,
es ist selbst at streamentry and at the higher levels of the waking,
which are complishes in the Destruction of fettes or eventually of craving.
And so in keeping in mind,
what you says in the next sermon,
then you becomes clear that when you says now here on seeing Ibana,
that craving is distroyed, when you critisizes that,
he is only intending, I think,
to critisize the idea that nimana is something far out a way in the distance and when seeing it from far way,
that then craving is distroyed, he, I believe,
once to bring in the emedia see of the experience of nibana.
And also, to counter attenancy in the commentaries to omake
nibana and the distruction of deformance into two separatings
Das kann das Particular evident in der Commentare Conception of Part and Flug,
als too mind moments were in the suptors part minsterall,
tradicually of how everyminy years,
it takes until the break through and the fruit means the distruction of definements,
the extinction of vetters,
the personality change that comes about after that experience through that experience in that experience.
But this is a topic, we were come back later.
End of comment. There seems to be some contradiction in
the commentare in definitions of nickenbahnen
On the one hand we have the definition of Nibana
STXC from Craving, which is qual to weaving.
And only other it is stand that it is on single,
ban and a craving is destroyed.
Do project Nibana into indistance and to hope that cleving will
be the stroyed only on seeing it.
It's something like trying to build a stair case to a pallace
one can on yet see. In fantasies of similarly,
which do Buddha had you is then is could is was
in of the brownings point of view.
In the done my chancen, but what don't a suite,
we have the varically a statement of the third nodel truth
Elling fluss and then the second noble tool this crading.
The would a goal song to define that third
noble tools in these worlds. That say, yeah,
that high a season viragen and how chang the partners,
that must to say, that third noble tools,
is the complete fanning away, too seession, giving up,
really wishment of that very craving.
That it is to release from and known attachment to that
very craving. In other words,
it is the distruction of this very most of suffing,
which is
just before
In der Sutta ist der Trump-Tan Hacken Cayounter, Destruction of Graving,
is very often news, as a Trump von Nebenbahnen.
But the commentare this says that distructional one is not nebenbahnen.
Kai mattern, na, nippbahnen. But the distruction of
graving it surface call the high spliss in the folgen,
women's of the unterner.
Jan Cecarma, so can look, Jan Chinian, division,
so can. Tannatenkaya, so cass it in Carland,
nang an dissola sind. Whatever, bliss from sense designs,
days in the world and whatever devine bliss days.
All these are not world one 16 of the bliss,
of the distruction of craving
Many of the versus found in you don't extremely deep.
And this is understand apparent, sensational down I means a joyers otherns.
Generally ago is otherns, comes from the very depth of months hard.
Like a side of relief. As a matter effect,
one often fine, step the computing verse cores
far deeper in its implications and the narrative concerned.
For instance in Judapana, so took at the volling joyers
advance, coming from the buddha himself. King cayera,
the bahn in a hard parties, as a madasium,
tanhai, mulator to tojet va,
Kiste,
by you say on Jerry
What is the use of a well?
If what they is they all the time, even
cut craving at the root, in search of whatshop on wonder.
This shows that the distruction of craving is not a mair
distruction comment. Yeah, I just what like to jugge
little more and the statement by the venoving on ananda,
that the deversus often go far deeper in the applications,
then then narrative consument.
And this versus übering good exanderfied, because the story,
the narrative story given in the Odana,
has blamings who have blocked a well
with chaff
In order to prevent the buddha eniss morgens from Drinking.
And this story is quite out of keeping with the verse and effect bunde,
in his studies in the origins of Buddhism says that the
out of the pros seems that crossly missanderstone diverse.
Which intense what there in or more and then a milly figurative sense.
And from a competitive perspective at his interesting the channes parallel
to that stanz at does not have any plus story.
And this is a general tendency of the ordana that what were
vision you seem to have been commentario stories have become part of the texted self.
We have the same situation inducation of the attacker wandern of the sutany
partner, but converse in the sense that here the party vision has only diverses.
And the chines has the stories that in the party division me find only in the commentarious.
And so this is significant in so far,
I think, with stories,
the pros stories in die Udana hard generate tendencies for them to be similar to commentarial stories,
or sometimes material be might find in the vina yeah,
there more Americas, their sometimes on so later influences, that we can detect.
So, I think, when we put like the fore Palinikayas,
together, as a representative of early buddhism,
I would had suit any part of domma bade idea
voteca, indy udana versus,
but not do udana plose, just as a general,
I dear of this stretification of texts and of comment
Graving is a from of first. And then is when you banna,
is sometimes quite people are being a young,
that is belling of the thirst.
To think that the distruction of craving is not so fician
this like findled if wanted to one has or the quenged this thirst.
But the distruction of graving has been call the highs bliss.
One ways quaneshed his thirst for good is a way of
that bliss for experience. When it see is the word
running here in the insecure of water,
he looks bething, as he's the world spring office bliss
Highway to most of our scarlist, the turn than hunting career.
Peter totely negative. And that is why they heasitated to recognize its value.
In such conventional users as need banan, Adama,
they are found a grammatical excused to separate that turn from needball.
A calling to the buddha this issation of existence is needbana and
that means nibana is the realization of this issation of existence.
And existence is said to be an eleven found fire.
So then tight existence is a raging fire.
Last tate delusion, all these are fires
Wer von Ibana maybe best menuted by the world extinction.
When monsterfize extinguished, what more is needed? But I'm fortunated,
when Ibuda goes it was not prepared to a pre-ship
this point of few. And is we sudy marker,
as this well as in the commentary is started,
pocasini and some more have in other needs,
he gives a long discussion on in Bang,
in the form of in Argument with an imaginary heritic.
Some of his arguments on other keeping with I do
all the spirit of the domeman. First of all,
you get the heritic to put for all what the idea
that the distruction of last tate and dilusion is
nip Bang
Actually hearetical, simply quoting the word word,
for into nibaners to do of the asyncer to some you to.
The distruction of lust hate and illusion is gold neben Bahnen.
Hat ein Karriere, du sagst ein Karrieremarkt, ein Karrierebahnen.
The words of our gotten Karriere, du sacken Karriere,
in Muhaken Karriere, together of former synonym often in Bahnen.
But the commentator, interprets it as three synonyms.
Then he argios out with the imaginary hearetic,
that if nibaner is the exting whishing of lust,
to do something common even to the animals.
For the also extinguish their fires of lust to enjoyment of
the crisponding objects of sense
This argument ignores, the depercence of the word extinction,
as it is found in the dumnot.
In the Margania sitt of the monthy Manicaya,
the Buddha gives to similar from man,
with the skin is the sitting beside, the pitter for embers,
to explain the position of lust for beings in the world.
That man is simply trying to assua and she his pains
by the heat of the fire. It is an attempt
to warm up, not to cool down. Similarly,
what the last que beings in the word are doing in
the face of the fires of lust is a warming up?
It cannot way we compared to the extinction and the calling
down of the other hands
As the frace neben mudding one jomana immlise,
that extinction is a blissful experience for the aren's.
It leave the permanent effect on the other hand.
So much so that appone reflection is sees that is influxes are extinct.
Just as a man with this hands and feeds cut off.
Nose of one reflection that is limits are gone.
It's seems that the deeper implications of the world nebenbei,
I have been up scured, my sit of arguments which are rather missleady.
Effect, I king forward to give these sermans for three reasons.
Firstly because the venuel great precept inviting me to do so
Secondly in the home, let it will be of
some benefit to my core do as in the dama.
And that leave because I'm myself, fett valida concerned,
about the india ticle see of the existing interpretations.
What we have sense of five just about the wordney bother,
is such quite in Namburg, such this on ebian,
will be taken up for discussion.
This is just the preamble to show,
that the what neban in the sense of exstinction has a deeper the mension,
which has some relevants to the law of dependent arrising.
But dicture some of bahner. By bringing in an
natimology based on the elementsana
Much of the oviginal significance of the bordney bahn,
came to be on the mind. On quite in number of ocations,
the buddhistic claire that to cissation of suffering is neben Bahnen.
All that the distruction of craving is nebenan.
Thumbs like doking can your own the whole and tanhatten cayou
have been used this synonyms. If there's in once,
there's no need to make an indiscrimination with we got to sum of them,
by existing on a pay plustic use its like argum on.
You don't other important us, big of the problem
iscribuation of nebant to the wholey life from Gunnar Macharya.
It is said, that when the wholey life
is lift out to the full it,
carl me is in imbana
Der Rad, da hast du einen juckto auf der Sonne mit den Ikam.
Und wir findten, wenn wir die Pudding in Series
of Questions tut, die wir in der Explanation haben.
First of ally asks. Some more than in Paderborn,
they can a diane. For more purpose is right vision
. And the boot agives diance. Some more than in
core than, nimm minute. Rada, right,
vision is for the purpose of this custod, injection.
And that is to say in discussed for Sang-Sara.
Kommend, also ein Menschen, before apple for a disinchantment
over this cust and of common.
The next Question is for what purpose is discust.
And the buddha answers,
this custos for dispection
What is the purpose of despecial in the purpose of despecial
is release? What is the purpose of release?
The purpose of releases nipaner. Last of Ball,
wenn er Rourata pustet question, nipaner, parabande,
kim material, for what purpose is in the banner.
And the buddha gives this answer. At this is a rada pania,
na, sagn we panias, the bayern than gaitum.
Nibane, gadania, bla, matcha, jung, vocity.
Nibane, para, jung, nipen baana, bayosanon.
Rada, you have gone beyond the succope of your questions.
You are unnymber to grass the limit of your questions
Vor Rada. The Hooley Life is Merchany Banner.
It's consumation is nibaner. It's calmination is nibaner.
Coming, just like to offer because bodies transfersion.
You have coming beyond the vange of questioning rada.
You weren't able to grass the limit to questioning. Vor Rada,
the holdy life is live with need Banners, it's ground.
Nibaner, it's destination, nibaners, it's finan goal.
This shows that the holdy life gets merching in Banner.
Justice Rivers, get Merchd in the sea.
In other words, word the holdy life is lift out
to the full.
Nibaners, right
That is by Venue einander, who earnesty took up the really
life and coached by the buddhist promise of heavenly nimmts.
At then other antwort our most in spider femself.
A last here poached the buddha and back to
relief him of the owners of his promise.
This show is that we'll more complicted training in the honey
life on its already in nip bun.
On you want to training is incomplete, can one go to have.
Yeah, then is a result much comes of its on a court.
So there's no justification for a pay frost to usage
like on reaching in ybunnern.
No glims of addistant object
is necessary
At what ever moment and noble at full part is perfected,
one attains nippana then in their.
Now in the case on examination, after answering the question papers,
when has to wait for the results to get a pass.
Here is different. As soon as you have answer to paper correctly,
you have passed in medally and the certificate is originär.
This is the significance of the time anya used in such contexts.
Anya stands for fulls 30 doods of the experience of nebenbei.
The experience of the food of other and shipping gives him
the final certificate officer them and anyapalo
That is why need baness could something to be realized.
One gets the city to that birth this extinct.
And that the holy life is live down to be full.
China and Jhati, most it don't brach majority.
Of course, there are some most till go nasking,
what is the propose of need banan?
And it's do answer this nap of question that many scottless
go and her splitting. Normal in the world,
whatever one does, have some purpose or other.
All locupations or trains and businesses are for a cupation and profit.
These and burglers oster have some purposeing mind.
But body's the propose of trying to taining banan.
When is the purpose of need banan?
Why should money
tany ball
Hit is to gevanance at to this question, it's call
us proud in such phrases is need bahn and pana agamer.
On reaching it bahner. Nee, would saying that on reaching need
bahner craving would be discribed. On close at analysis,
it would a beer, there's some
fellowsy in this question. For if there's an year,
more purpose in an taining it bahner,
need banner would not be the Ultimate Aine.
In other words, if neybahner is the Ultimate Aine,
that the should be no Aine in a taining in bahner.
Don't may were sound a talk tology on as to state
that Nevanna is the Ultimate Aine for the simple reason that
there's no in beyond it
Holman, this main need more explanation. Now as fast
grading is concerned in testo nature of projection or inclination.
Yeah, something band forward with the forward view.
And that is why disquality powernectly, the leader in becoming.
It leads one on an one in existence.
Like the character before the Donkey. So,
then is by all objects presented by graving.
Have some object or purpose as a projector.
Graving as an inclination. But one is the position you
for makes the distruction of graving it self-mones object
Not claving, because of it's inclining nature is always been forward.
So much so that we get an infinite progression.
This is for that, and that is for the under.
As to frace, Tanna, Porno, hullica,
emplies, craving bring sub existence again and again.
But this is not the case,
when I'm next to distruction of craving one saying,
when that aim is a tained, there's nothing more to be done.
Thall this brings us to the conclusion that the term ton huck gay on,
distruction of braving is a full fledge, sondern auf nebenbahner.
Well, this much is in ough for today.
Time a meeting and life a meeting.
I hope to continue
with these sons
Ich habe ein paar, die Venue Great Precept Imame in der Inmitation
mit der ID of seeing one office child on that play.
Für God of the Bang, I've taken up the inmitation,
that the future of the saaßen I'm be the financiange of its merce.
Comment. Ja,
so this is the end of the first someone,
and it is a vain devical to summerrise,
because Venue on on on the has this ability
of weaving in different points in to one
continuous presentation
But I just like from the purpose of discussion and eas
to point out to thillion points in my one take on the sermon
that come up for me one is the indefinition of name.
And the other one is the fire immitory in milation to
in the Dom Nibana. Thank you very much,
for your attention and I are look forward to seeing Neocomments and suggestians and
discussion for and then taking these up and the
second sermon in another weeks time