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first watches to sleep, I couldn't help asking.
How can the epocalypse looks so then beautiful me?
Thank you. Ähm. Ah, worin hat er ernsthaft?
I mean, you know, out of our work insane
kind of the pocalypse. And this one, ähm,
I think we're trying the makers a beautiful.
I mean, it's
kind of that
And the believes really crunchy and I think it's that pretty actually.
Okay. Well, the sleeperspaced on the nother,
the Körper cloud bei Entishirn, traplish 191,
everybody in this room, face seen the sleep,
but I don't think, a rebody knows about the purpose cloud.
So maybe, you could give a short semery of the nother.
Sure, it was,
it was in by critty in others of MPShiel in 1991
and it's cancidator,
there's all the classic last mansory
Which adventure, it's sorts office an adventure history or a thriller and which a man,
there's a contest to be the first reach in our pool,
and webber wins will win
lot of money. And so about leaves and a man,
doesn't one go on it, but then the one of
the crew members dice from being an addictive a draghold addpean,
and he becomes the shift starter.
So it releakendly like goes to the on the trip and
the series of the exhibence happen and that the same time
he's always wouldn't why faith is all the leading himministration.
They go to the north pool and and as
they right it in the both they don't.
And that time to know with no full look like or here,
uses magination, he meager that sort of this goodering placeble diamonds and a voltax.
And when he's there, a gym purpose cloud of poison guest,
covers the years and kills every living creature.
And that's when the not was or a takes a turn,
he than returns to civilization.
And I see, soly makes it way back civilization in
countries more and more that creatures and that animals and find like that cities.
And he realize that he's the last man on a earth.
And that noble thance or the bears into a very long those opcoal discussion,
about what that means for him, what it mean,
what it mentioned to be human and what he's livement.
She alrope two endings for the book,
the first one here rother book
It end to sort of bleakly as him going mad an away.
And that later but the main characters lame was Adam and he
discovered effort many years or women day in the eep,
or he culture eep, discovered hears evided.
And then there's sort of the,
but it's emstling even in that's for that,
in that romantic ending he the main character struggle little says
on not in a certain human race ago,
he's hold to minus enger and rage.
And finally sort of there's a hint of the pituation at
the M, matthew will circle race again.
The purple cloud, it's could by romantic for frank long,
as the most and atteraply, terrible book,
What is the point most interesting to you for at this nummer?
I think there were a couple of things that were very emsling,
long is a waited that now when it into discussions of
what he partice life men. I think also was very
signatical up and noble was that was rhythm might to know one and it pressaged it forecasts or can be seen
us for cassing this global disaster or cost by a climate,
which is very are nusevolds for the platform for a
platform disaster noble or the deventure story of this time.
So it feels very eary and then when we were doing
at them things and there were revolcanos and our And the
world that it's we going feel very eary about about to in the peace.
It had something to say about the invironment and about invironmental clubs.
I think all that's didruction, I we decided the power
that. Has it to say something about environment.
I think we actually do not now, well,
the purpose cloud comes from it could be everything.
Yeah, in the book, it's he makes of a,
it's not quite doing, but he makes today,
a will can agruption in the selfies, he goes it.
But the effect that has on society and it's like that
has only earth. I think is this significant to significants
of the device of a purpokalypt
Changing, Framer, The Purple Cloud to the Sleep.
The Sleepers and somebrace, very close to the purple Cloud,
but in the purple Cloud, there's a religious aspect.
And you're nicklet it totilly, why?
I think the apokalypse and religion go hand to be.
There's a tax about there's the religious aspect,
there's also more all aspect that that he has is,
what he calls two voices in as head as or if
a good conscience and there are consciences,
the way in the black he calls it
We are workers much more and big used nows mensions always.
And I think we didn't want to hot instagram that aspect into it.
Hier denken wir, okay. At the end of the Unplay,
we see is on iconographic sales of big cities declining,
we see hal gio Sophia, der Efeltauer und New York.
Und when I first saw, the peace,
I thought this appectures from popculture. This are pictures
from disaster movies, They after tomorrow, quiet earth.
Venture ideas later, do you rerefurt to these pictures würfely?
Ist Popculture in Ästhetic for you? Oh, yes.
And I would say, also to the coming about the
book be in Garbage. And begal couple by work is very
much and server carbage and things that are cast designed.
And then that makes about even more range thing for us.
That someone would color garbage. Yeah, I mean,
another other work as it are a very strong connection,
the popculture.
And not so much popculture
about the emergy popculture
Or the energy perselves and side a popculture,
or the way that we represent at back to repselves inside a popculture.
Was to difference, between popculture and the images of popculture.
Why think popculture is more than just images, would you say?
What are popculture is words? Okay, popculture. You
mean images, the constructure damage. And I work at
we're very concerned but the way that emitties are constructed and we as we words look at those emages,
because a lot of times, we don't question,
who pay for that image, who may that imagine,
where that it may just being schauen,
who pay for that
Das ist ein Share-that-Showing, weil es eine Art Hands- und
Share-thanmage ist. Und die Menschen sind real, deconstructed.
Es gibt auch die Frames. Und dann gibt es,
was es auch sagt, das ist ein Mensch.
Und wir haben einen Primat-Konzern mit WhatsApp-Share-thanmage. Wenn du talking
about things the put a side on the point of
the book being Garbage,
ist das lieb Camp
That's a very complicating question. You're not. Campus of
a lot of world. And I think it when you
talk about camp and you talk about camp in terms of what,
you're maybe susans on type would mean with camp and what camp mean study it has a very different position.
There's a subverse of own and always has been to camp.
There's an undermining at what's consert mainstream culture.
And I think that's true and in much of our work.
There is a and acidity and a tackles very don't side of camp.
So I'm happy to use the turn camp of that's what
the pressure. And not think this pieces so
much camping
You know, going back you going to the images of
pop culture and this astro movies and things like that,
part what this prequely key stories is it shows the making or and
all of our peaces do is so the making about evengers and so heart of,
you know,
it pub tears and insocials on put together.
You think of the persimilative of disinstrument,
you so moments at you mentioned and how believable they are now.
And how you can really get drawn into that that burgewalty out the things.
And so I think that partly this artificiality, that's not work is hopely
highlighting different stream that attently create this very real product and what worshoping
is how do sings a made and 100
put together
Warte, das ist the point where camp, pops out,
to see the handmade disaster movie, not the disaster movie,
were we believe to heart of the movie.
Why mean, when you start talking about disaster movie,
you know, that strock me about 911 is that,
when they innerview people who's all the buildings fall down.
The person those people said, was,
it was like at disaster movie.
It was like a movie. They had no ability to
to describe it, because that language have been consumed by
part cultural already
And so when you said, when you said,
a camp ist a very old old old old for one thing,
thing to say.
And it's also very, it's outdated. And it doesn't
really touch a point, the complicated relationship that one has with can.
Cam. It depends I'm who saying it really.
A lot of time seeple say, call something camp to push
it osciting collect queer. Or gay work, because Camp is gay,
when it was first talk about by siison sonntag.
It's often time say, I think you took
It's a heiden the edge called in art to showdy and often times humors,
but not known by the maker that it is humors.
It's like accidently funny. We are you sit talking about in
autility works, talking about about the cide of death camp.
The cide of a really dark of sort of mbracing that
I did a cap and making it very, very dark.
And I work as a group, because we make different
kind of work, we have about three streams of investigation.
And this is one of them, there's sort of smaller,
hand made with the focus on music and also on a literature that's forgotten or garbage.
And we make group work, which is much a larger
and more if a more mediated.
And we also make a kind of reality theory.
So when I group work we both, have this focus
on death cap. The moved forward and hurror the ästhetics,
but I just not to go back on step to the subcheck.
Der Purple Cloud, this torize, Nature,
Men and Animous. And last living hum,
the last remain of Nature, distroys civilization at art,
he frows dynamite on architecture and I really didn't get it.
Also why, das ist so. Der Emy ist nature to him.
Ist denn das? No, I think that he's angry
at being the last person. And in the second,
in the second we right his angry that sort of that
his force to continue their civilization when he thinks that that's wrong in the beginning.
And it's funny because when people sore talking about climate change
and the problems with with the primacrisis It's like,
you know, it's heating appeciting
appen. I always think about the human boardy and that
when we have bakteriens out of us, we heat up.
And we burn that bakterien out. And in a way,
he's kind, in a way,
he's kind of relacing to that he's hand of saying,
it's the humans that of the problem.
And we should just be white down. And something better
we're grown is ways. But at this moment,
we evenue things that the humans are already vibe out.
Ja, but he's not white out all.
It is, like, that'sn't need to be,
and it think last from them.
Okay. The purple cloud
Lux, Leica, Natural Desaster, you've been talking bad,
climate change. But when I think nowhere, there is
the world going down. I don't think first of natural
disasters. I think of morance. I think of morance,
I think of the crisis of the financial system.
I think of ideality scrashing. And then,
think last of the flight are something like that,
but it's an natural disaster really.
The point of the apple clipsner
Well, about loops is have changed. I mean,
I think that's the image is a power quips is and how
they have taken place in the cultural nargination have changed.
I think that you have eligious pocalypses where sort of...
And so you have this idea of the end.
Of things, ending and sorting again. I think that's
one of there. It's a fantasy, it's well,
it's very revenged and to say. I think that's part
of what the book is about and why he takes is revenged on the randoms of civilization.
And it's really want we think,
but our history as a group, we been thinking about that,
we just said I ten your universal and Ähm,
in den 15 Jahren, also, wir denken,
dass alle Time in New York sind.
Wir haben realisiert,
dass wir mit den living to your crisis at the crisis
this for New York self and larger crisis is the world,
I mean, there was 9-11,
and there was and economic claps,
there was another economic claps and to wars.
And so, there's a moving idea of what is going
to be the end of the world. I mean,
a socially in America, when you have a lot of religious overtimes,
to the society, there's always a fad in a way.
Also, this is going to be next thing,
it's going be swined, low, or it's wind to be,
you know, and operate of something that's in the conterminate things.
And so, there's that kind of pantastical to what they are powers is.
It's a death panecy is well in the that ass national
with, you know, the 100.000 and that.
That's one or leason, Vater, popularity of the north
call around the turn of the century, in literal
did weature and art, was the belief that man can
do everything, there are know burders.
Nature is something to Russell down, by Science,
in order to step forther. In short. The wisn't
for this popularity is the belief in progress,
to you deliphing purkless
Dot the Bellen, ey. Sorry. No, I
don't leave and progress. And I think that part of
what the famous see was about two in the popularia,
but was the idea of, as you said,
a land of that porters and land of wildness.
I think that's very much something that contemporary societies looking core.
It's so what is the end logg of wildness?
Where are the underscovered places that you can be?
And it's no longer the fantasy of, we solve have,
you know, probs on preps on physical spaces on national spaces.
But it's not even, as so much,
there's wellness now has turned to you when intereour space into,
I mean,
it sounds very Clean to say it but cyber not grounds
and how you can inventure south because around on unband to space of the internet or how you can inventure softwares new personaly.
I think that's and it's more some of our other work.
But I think that that's where the idea of this basslation
with freedom is calls of you, going to you. I'm
not badance you question. Thank you. Moraless, can
do jüblichen purpose? I found on in interview in the
... No, I think, I think,
that are probress and person you say to you improgress.
I this remember die Bullshits, die du bringst.
Ich bin spreading the mark, Christine. Amerika sagte,
wir haben respreading progress. Respreading progress. Respreading progress and Irak.
Wir haben Programme. Something to do. It's sounds against to do. Well,
a founder interview in the brooklyn rail, where you chemma,
said, that is the channold rive of being an artist,
to always push yourself.
Always drying to advance. This is brookers in my feel
I don't know it's progress I think progress and tells that you are hading towards some
kind of automists a goal that we're trying to get better
and better and something like that I think that wouldn't talking
about this trying to find a different approach our better and
what have trying to find always are assolution for the changes that you are I mean,
I justn't said early and energy that you feel that you are
telling new stories or doing the same story as an other
soup and overgone and somewhere is that was you feel that you are telling the same story or your trying to sort of solve the same problem in your in your practice
Ist complaining about the apocalypse in anyway a conservative philosophie.
I don't think they we're can plain about it. I think we revel when it.
Wow. That's the name it my beyond as a pocker eps.
War fort. I don't know. We don't know.
How the purple cloud killed this people? But there's no sein,
that they did anything against the proper goal cloud.
The world is just doing down, with out any help.
The people diee with out any resistance, the thinking of a revolution,
eure resistance, ergänzte Feld, the namen thing about it.
I'm not jury if you are bring to RPs or the Novel,
but the Novel, they do, there are people who
try to resistance that the trying build edipics is a torts of the trying plactumselves, the trying.
Sevens out inevibly, as you discovers, their over valueurs,
but all the heat, and that's part of what drives his angry,
I think, at the strong randland to civilization is,
points that people have in some cases turned on your other or ledge
pride in seppen sounds. But in the sleep,
take down, or vidant see it. Campus League,
be the striped in early way as political art.
Yes, I think, over work is glotical.
And I think that there's put what ask back to this peace,
of course, on where talking out emages and more talking
out emages of the apparent quips and we're talking about.
In some ways, how would relates to inviron on our work?
This is an explicitly that cowork and the sense that we
are not slogan earing, we're not trying to put that.
The Slogans where in the Nother Beasts,
that we have SOS, which is all of all slogans.
And again, we do different kinds of work.
This is more about just but this peace in context,
again, like cames that we do three kinds of work.
And this is more, but labitory for us,
to play with emages play with narrative and to and to
work with music and then like that.
And music and emages together. So that's where that what
is work comes out it.
Ist the Sleep Formalistik? Knie,
ja, Knie
Put the focus on the form on the ästhetics,
he's that of the subcheckt. Halt sei hier als Caesar,
ja. Ja. I think I work is always about,
about how things are constructive is, well,
what the story of his englictors.
I mean, I think,
in some ways is is about the guidea put you only
I do it got that and would you want to say.
Wieder eine äußere, ja. Nein, nein,
nein. Ich denke, da war ich
I think, now I think it's a focus of the story,
but yeah, there is always a focus on the construction of it.
Of one of it. But now like former, like
rather words and formers. They don't think by that.
More like, do this up temperature. Okay.
They don't see the way as in the country that.
The device of the Summer Academy, self according to Jean-Luc Godard,
that did is not about making political films in stead of
making films in the political way.
Du bringen gest to 4. How are you making theater
in the political way?
Is it? Showing
Construction Vires, ist das The Political Way? I think it's
when I have back, it's a groway. I mean,
I think that again, I would first it a larger body,
I work, there is also in so ways,
which is a reason piece and other work about.
There's a definitely, we stick about queer it anothers,
we speak about marginal it anothers. And we talk about
I don't in the endself and how the shared among people.
And so there's explizit way political messages in the work,
as a sather's sloganering,
there's the construction of that there's a fact of
making at in New York city
Which is all political like for us. The waits
made and what's the count and every peace? Mean,
it's different make work in America,
because the making of the work is political because you're making a
product that is a worst us in the eyes of Gymnasium people,
in a way.
It's not a product, because this nothing that you selling,
you selling seeds, but now it's really buying the seeds.
You want to mean, this not this kind of adjecting a making.
This not adjecting with performance, so specially. In the way
that are relace to consumer culture is very pable not at. I mean,
in that you are not going home with a Physical Object,
you're not going, how many, you know,
what do do you are memory someone your creating and experiential?
And so there's there's prominent equalationships about how that relates two pulture.
And in the largers and how America itself sees,
what the arts arts is a long and economic concessable.
About the organization of big arts group ist ein Hyraki in
the big off group.
Yes. Leicht persuissue to be inecolaborative project
Okay. Ja, I mean, as a hirgy in
the Germany co-founder the company and we developies to a certain point
before we bring it to the rest of the group.
The group is constructed as a network of individuals that are
not salary and it's a much a larger network and people common
go with a very open structure, because people are jumps,
you are babys.
And so different parts of the company or in different shows
and they are sometimes together in one show and not and
another it
Ist das Politiker zu talk about this? Aber es ist
just great ticle. Typ talk about the high right years,
the big arch group. Ja, make you rememing.
Okay, no broklyn. I mean, it's
the matter of fan. Okay. Ist hier ästhetic,
down to a certain location, to be precers,
canno, campy or queer ästhetic only develop in a Urban-Kontext
Ähm. No. I mean,
I think that what isn't urban contract only more?
I think that one of the changes of society of last five
years is at anyone with the inner in a access,
can do come part as they society.
I can become part of the culture. And has access to imagers,
only can become part of that in a sort of
inner active way, in joining a world for community.
But also has imagers to, but what traditionally the urban culture or
these things that originated promit concentration in an urban source.
I think that now these this cultural identities are more white spread.
And you can see, it is first
Das ist ja so unnötig. Ja. From my point
of you. All most every, US-American fear to brook
is New York based. Oh, that's a long bit
about miss reception of from a European perspective,
because that's not absolutely true their our groups at a working
all round the country in Los Angeles und Francisco.
And New York has a special focus, because New York
is going important time, performance wise and beat a wise.
So 200s and that we like to be there,
but there art people making where it all over the country.
And there's people making to be in kinds performance,
not nationally the edgecall always of the country ide,
grape and same this go.
And I think that's lot of where my
is that a consumer is
Watching people who do inform all performance in which their life
is a performance. Walking down three is their performance.
It is they come to the city.
And they are summany white an in the UNA, a summany
look and they live their life at way, but it's
all presentational and then happens all of it country in different ways.
And there's but their times of inform all of form formance,
you can talking out.
Is there special New York Ästhetics? Can you talk about
Ellie Ästhetic difference between companies, love from New York,
Anthony York based companies
Not in General Trumps, wegen so I think in New York,
it's even so diverse, what you have from companies there.
I mean, I think, the work were doing and
the work natural feed of a goal home and is doing,
is very different work.
And you have than even more diversity around the country.
Los Angeles is really interesting to was, because Los Angeles
has a very strong kulture of downmaking and movie making.
And when we do are work there that a space on video,
the audience really reacts with and a completely different way,
because they are part of that culture.
And so they see themselves and inerect with work in I
completely different way, just having that so much part of
their media at everyday culture
So, why? A, the most companies
quo envitor to Festivals in Europe from New York.
Well, it's closery, then any other posting card.
No, it's true. It's true. And actually,
I was helping a present of from Austria. I mean,
I mean, present is from European Lead do one of
find, the rest of America.
They dist, it's very typical, because it's so big
And they... And so I helped I helped one of
them go to L.A. And I find a very different to find the performers,
even through the and rather and do on my connections,
shine to hook up with people the me. I think at there's no,
you know, in New York is a really strong network of empetations to European Presenter is to come to that city.
But literally and Iron have way in Philadelphia at there's,
I know, five companies.
But right off its have my head that that I would
think that the European Procent is to be instead in bringing.
It's just a matter of, is just more difficult for them?
It's very easy got in New York
Okay. So, I think the last five to 10 minutes,
I like to öpen the discussion to the couplic.
So, if they're in the Questions. Hi. Canasco very simple
question for our change. I was wondering how people,
you talked about about about about in New York or in compared to out the country.
So they rect to your play because single in the story you discribe,
it could like almost, make your crime,
because the end of the human rise, but then again,
the people all the way, the audience rected here,
and they saw everybody
was sheering and you have scribbing and was so excited about it.
So was wondering with that, with at there's the difference,
when you too the world and the way, that the people reacted it.
And if it's just do to the simple fact of a
language vary or somebody that. I think it's that all the way.
And it's actually city, the city, not even country the country.
And it depends on the translation in our times,
because I worked is ally trains legit.
And it depends on the world. But I don't want
to go into the general I want to be to know that it. I mean,
and I also the kind of the night, really,
depends on the ardience, it's about the ardience commissary, really.
But we will, you say, I wouldn't say like,
the attitans are. I know. Iron Minderer,
I mean, the first shell that we were touring call flicker,
it, I all this tell you things are a member.
I member in France into lys, someone knopping being like.
That wasn't was for a funding thing, I've
ever seen in my life. And I member being in
L.A., and people were laughing and streaming out.
I think you was the funny assing that eversing
Das ist eine Art Extrems. Und in Rom,
in meiner Memberson war es wirklich,
er war wirklich persönlich in den Audience-Attacken.
Er war mad, everyone else in the arlience.
Because they were like thing. So, this suppens.
So. No questions left. So. Als we thank you.
Ja, thank you for the talk, which is really wonderful. Now,
I had a question when you were talking about the frame and what remains outside of the frame,
because indeed, I think,
it's a very strong impression that one gates,
it's all about creating images, creating,
pitches in the way in about what is let our side of the picture,
but I will like now live it more about this outside,
is it for you something that you can bring in some way
or another insight or is there always anoutside
That will be left out of perpiction. And if it is,
if it is even let's say visiable to bring it into the bikture.
And more over, because we had a little discussion this
morning about it. What is in your performance happening to
the body? Because we see a lot of face is
and very few, but over snowbody in the end.
What ceptive. I think has to go to this peace
, because normally in our work, you can see
the fullbody and the the attuall space and then the craft
body inside of the this
mediate space
And I work is very much about that framing and
what's like that side that frame. And that's editorial,
that's what it's neditorial frame its, what we're shown you,
or it's what talking about other people showning us,
as representation that certain things.
And you can't get outside that frame,
because I making that frame too. So you know,
I've met a frame and there's something outside that frame that's the editople that you looking at,
there's more in the life edit it out to make a point.
But you know, I think it is post what
to go outside the frame, but there is,
it's a really course of thing that there's always There's always more outside.
I cannow it's pull for the back. I think an
other work that we have, we have saying more of a
sage that with multiple cameras and multiple screens on sage.
Audience is really challenged, be in a active partismen.
And what there looking at. And there actually first to twos,
what there looking at. Are you watching the image on screen horry,
watch in the bodys,
the high is your attention shifting three one in
the other and thinking about what's happening in the publicitor,
was happening with the singer and what's happening with the image behind and the image here.
And so that's really sort of this idea to a keep
the audience moving round about what there choosing focus on
and keep those countries at
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